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Hi,<p>I am an avid Volvo fan and have had a collection of Volvos over the past 10 years. I'm also a big fan of BMW's and presently have both in the stable (2 XC90's and a 325iT).<p>I've been contemplating a new daily driver for myself and am considering either the V70R or a BMW 328xiT (when they come out towards the end of the year).<p>Any thoughts? The BMW clearly won't be as fast as the Volvo and will definitely have less room, but having had both a V70AWD and a 325iT (and 325xiT) I have to say I prefer the driving dynamics of the 325's. I've driven an R and noticed it pushed a little more in the corners and had noticeable bump steer (but not sure if I had it on sport or comfort). I also noticed how fast 300hp makes a wagon!<p>I've read that the 07 R's will have 18 inch wheels which might help (or might be an error on the Volvo Canada web-site!)<p>Maybe its not a fair comparison as the Volvo is more comparable to a 5 series, but I don't want to spend much more than $60K and that puts me in either the R or a 328. <br>
 

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Re: V70R or 328xiT (jgp2)

hi, congrats & happy driving with your new car either way man. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>but to compare a 328xiT with a V70R is a little insulting to the R, IMHO. <p>the size and space? the design and unique style? the safety? the active chassis control? the engine? the turbo versus n/a? the performance?... <p>which one of these important aspects are you comparing and actually can't decide? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>
 

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Re: V70R or 328xiT (Serdar-S60T5)

I don't think it's insulting to the R...<p>Many people would happily ditch the 4C chassis for a nice balanced RWD platform the BMW offers... Also even though it's less power, the BMW is an almost perfectly tuned and balanced straight six....<p>I think the two areas lacking in the BMW are power and space.... I'd be ok compromising on those for the superior handling...<p>The R is a unique vehicle though, with it's own merits.... Some will still argue Volvo safety, from a wholistic standpoint, is still tops... <p>From my experience the BMW should be a little more reliable and offer better dealer service...<p>Does BMW still have maintenance included??? That might be something you could include in your thinking when comparing price on the two....<br>
 

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Re: V70R or 328xiT (dugums)

It is not insulting to the R at all when you consider that the BMW will handle MUCH better without the 4C sabotaging your efforts. <p>IMO, you've owned both cars, essentially, and you know what the differences are. Is straight line power, more room, etc. more important, or will you sacrifice that for the sweeter ride / handling of the BWM?<p>Up to you. Drive them both with the 328 comes out and you will know which one you want.
 

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Re: V70R or 328xiT (jgp2)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jgp2</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi,<p>I am an avid Volvo fan and have had a collection of Volvos over the past 10 years. I'm also a big fan of BMW's and presently have both in the stable (2 XC90's and a 325iT).<p>I've been contemplating a new daily driver for myself and am considering either the V70R or a BMW 328xiT (when they come out towards the end of the year).<p>Any thoughts? The BMW clearly won't be as fast as the Volvo and will definitely have less room, but having had both a V70AWD and a 325iT (and 325xiT) I have to say I prefer the driving dynamics of the 325's. I've driven an R and noticed it pushed a little more in the corners and had noticeable bump steer (but not sure if I had it on sport or comfort). I also noticed how fast 300hp makes a wagon!<p>I've read that the 07 R's will have 18 inch wheels which might help (or might be an error on the Volvo Canada web-site!)<p>Maybe its not a fair comparison as the Volvo is more comparable to a 5 series, but I don't want to spend much more than $60K and that puts me in either the R or a 328. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I noted you are in Calgary... Even if the V70R doesn't come with 18s, you could put a good set of snow tires on the 17s and get 18s for summer tires (exactly what I did for my S60R, and I'm MUCH futher south).<p>A friend of mine has a 530i, and I have my S60R... both are nice cars, but even with some of the issues I've had with my R (4C "hop") I prefer my S60R over the 530i. I'm not much of a wagon fan, but it has 1" more in the read seats on top of the additional space in the back, so it's a really nice adjustment...
 

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Re: V70R or 328xiT (jgp2)

At this point, go with whichever you can get a better deal on. The up to the BMW is that it's a new design, so you won't end up with the scenario that your new car will be old in another year. The V70R is at the end of it's life cycle, but to be honest, Volvo doesn't do re-designs until the cars are 20 years old, so it's not much of a worry there either. <p>Personally though would be to go with the BMW. I don't care what is said about modding the R or otherwise, if you are buying a new car you can't beat how the BMW will drive AND come without voiding your warranty. Stock for stock, the two cars will probably accelerate similarly and both give you AWD. The BMW will just handle better. Lastly, I would say that it is a fair comparison between the two because the S60/V70 series really competes with the 3, not the 5 based on its size and interior volumes.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Serdar-S60T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hi, congrats & happy driving with your new car either way man. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>but to compare a 328xiT with a V70R is a little insulting to the R, IMHO. <p>the size and space? the design and unique style? the safety? the active chassis control? the engine? the turbo versus n/a? the performance?... <p>which one of these important aspects are you comparing and actually can't decide? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Size and space? Pretty similar. Dimensions, weight and capacity are almost the same. <p>Design? Up to personal taste. I'll agree on the R there though.<p>Safety? Volvo is recognized as the safety leader in the auto industry, but BMW is not far off. They have some of the safest cars available and have introduced some great safety features to the industry (i.e. head protection airbags). And they do this without reverting to mounting the engine transversely. <p>Active chassis control? Doesn't really control the chassis as much as most would like. Just look at how many R owners have aftermarket springs. <p>Turbo vs. N/A? Again, personal taste, but BMW engines are tough to beat. Especially the new design with the magnesium case. The performance with the 328 will likely be very good and comparable to the R. BMW's AWD acts more like a rear drive car adding to it's driving dynamic. <p>All of these subjects make the comparison between the two very logical, not insulting. But I think your point proves that the two are similar, and your own likes/dislikes will be the main factor in the end, not one completely outshining the other.
 

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Re: V70R or 328xiT (jgp2)

I belong to both VCOA and BMWCCA, although I am Bimmerless at this time.<p>The Volvo is a fast version of a car that's supposed to be slow; the 328xiT is a slow version of a car that's supposed to be fast. (If you buy the AT version, it should be just about the slowest car BMW will sell in North America in 2007.) <p>I don't like the limited amount of space behind the rear seat in the BMW; I don't like the unjustified complexity and questionable reliability of the V70R. If BMW planned to export the 335iT to the US, it would be an easy choice to make, but they don't. <p>Decisions, decisions...
 

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Re: V70R or 328xiT (jgp2)

I assume you mean 60K CAD. If you mean USD, then that money would buy you a 530XiT easily. As for choosing between the two, If you already like BMW's better, then that is what you should get. My V70R does not even compare to my 530i. In theory the Volvo is a little faster, but the BMW is much more satisfying to drive overall. My initial test drive impression of the R was a little off-putting, but I thought surely I would get used to it and eventually like it better than my BMW. After 6 months though, I believe my initial impressions were accurate- that is I don't really like it better now than I did then. Good luck.
 

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Re: V70R or 328xiT (jgp2)

Hi there, my two bits....<br>I don't know the BMW at all but on the Volvo side, regardless if it comes with 17's or 18's it comes with marginal summer only tires, better to get the factory 17's and but winters on them after you wear out the oem Pirelli's the first summer. Then get 18's of your choice, will likely be cheaper even if you get pegs and not ultraleggera's..... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><br>From what I know of Calgary you really have to hunt around to find an interesting driving road that would really test car and driver in the handling department. My V70R doesn't handle poorly, it just doesn't have stellar handling. It is a fantastic highway car and trips I've done with the family have been fantastic.<br>Why I bought our R over a BMW wagon at the time, better back seat, more power, more torque, AWD, HUGE brembo's, has a more useful cargo area because the back is vertical and not sloped forward which can be a real pain and for me looks better.
 

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Re: V70R or 328xiT (vintagemilano)

Wow, I hadn't expected quite this much feedback. Kudos to Swedespeeders for being passionate about their cars and speaking up.<p>I think I concur with vintagemilano on the R.<p>I looked at a 325xiT at lunch today. First of all the rear hatch is even smaller than it was before because of the "new" sloping rear roofline. The dog isn't going to like that much (he just fits in my 04 325iT). Second, it was pretty gutless (all they had to drive was a slushbox). But it sure handled nice even with wimpy 16 inch tires and it seemed more solid than the V70R. It had the delightful "pleather" why do they think we prefer this over decent cloth?<p>I've driven the R a number of times and it is pretty addictive from a power perspective, just not sure how you could get it to have such direct turn in like the BMW's. The mid corner 4C hop thing has me baffled though. I think I read somewhere that if you switch of the DSTC it is cured? How many punches of the button 5 or 45 to fully defeat the system?<p>If I'm pragmatic I need the space offered by the Volvo. I can get an Xplan deal which makes the R only about $4500 more than a similar xiT. Also I can get the R at the end of September as opposed to waiting until November to order and hopefully receive by Feb or March with the BMW. Since the primary purpose (besides a 10Km drive to work) of the car is to drive to the ski condo on weekends the R is making more and more sense. We also have a terrific dealer in Calgary and they treat me quite well (we also have two XC90's in the fleet). <p>As stated there are not many true drivers roads out here...we have to go to BC, which incidentally has better skiing too <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>I also looked at a 503xiT with the M package...if only - $85,000 here with a crummy interest rate and no deals. Nice car but...<p>Thanks for the input. As much as I'm going to miss driving a BMW thee Volvo just has it beat from a value for money and practicality perspective.<p>Now if anyone wants a 2004 325iT with the M package drop me a line! I'll throw in the Winter Sport M3's on aluminum rims...<p>
 

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Quick Update. I just looked at the Volvo Canada web-site and it looks like they are putting 18 inch Pegs on the V70R this year. One more check mark for the R
 

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Come on, made it happen already! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> At least you can get 94 at husky stations there which made a noticable difference when we went to Panorama last year.
 
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