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Tubo problem - suppose to be fixed

Some of you might remember me from an earlier thread, where I said my R felt terriblely slow and I thought it was all in my head switching over from a STi.<br>Many of you suggested that what I felt was not normal and I should bring it back to have it checked. So I did today. <br>Just got a phone call from the dealer, said that they found a lose "turbo control valve" (no idea what that means). Now I can't wait to go pick up the car and feel the difference. Maybe I can finally appreciate the R as it is suppose to be.
 

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That's awesome news. I wouldn't think the R would feel that slow, especially if you don't own the Sti anymore. I drove a 3rd Gen RX-7 once....only took a few days for my 2nd gen non-turbo to feel fast again, but until then it felt like a dog. The R really isn't that much slower than the Sti but I think the driver/car disconnect makes it feel slower than it is. If the turbo made more noise and it had a tiny bit of tq. steer I think the R would feel a little faster than it does.
 

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Re: Tubo problem - suppose to be fixed (mister2cool)

hah...if you are coming from an sti to an R, its going to feel slow regardless <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>but i say better choice going with the R. the sti's and evo's are "teenage" boy cars...non-practical and one-dimensional
 

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Re: Tubo problem - suppose to be fixed (mister2cool)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mister2cool</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Just got a phone call from the dealer, said that they found a lose "turbo control valve" (no idea what that means). </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ok, I didn't even have to search to find this thread, it was 2 down from yours. <p>Glad to hear it's fixed. You'll be surprised at the difference. <p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=60934" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=60934</A>
 

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Re: Tubo problem - suppose to be fixed (needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, I didn't even have to search to find this thread, it was 2 down from yours. <p>Glad to hear it's fixed. You'll be surprised at the difference. <p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=60934" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=60934</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ha, I thought it was another pointless BOV thread, and never even read it!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Tubo problem - suppose to be fixed (mister2cool)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mister2cool</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Ha, I thought it was another pointless BOV thread, and never even read it!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Whoops! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>So how od you like it now? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Tubo problem - suppose to be fixed (needsdecaf)

When you get it back... it's gonna be WAAAAY faster than the STi!!!! yup.
 

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Re: Tubo problem - suppose to be fixed (needsdecaf)

well... got the car back. It is faster than before, but still a bit of disappointing. Maybe I was expecting too much, maybe the ECU has to go through it's learning process again?
 

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Re: Tubo problem - suppose to be fixed (mister2cool)

You still have less than 2-3k miles on the car right? It will break in even more. I don't think you will ever think the R is as fast as the STI due to the very linear acceleration in the R. The STI just has that throw you in the back of your seat acceleration which the R just won't have in stock form. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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yeah.. it's still only 2500 miles. I never really expected the R to be as fast as STi, and I got the car fulling knowing that, and I am ok with that. <br>It's people like Mike that keep jazzing me up. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Tubo problem - suppose to be fixed (mister2cool)

Another question - how hot is it there during the day?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rollie</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Another question - how hot is it there during the day?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's been very hot and humid recently around here in the tri-state area (I'm only about 60 miles away from MR2), although this morning wasn't all that warm, it was sticky as hell.<p>I think Mr2 that you are experiencing all of the above: heat soak, tight engine, and the R's legendary smoothness. It's definitely not a throw you back in the seat kind of fast. Especially on the higway, it's REALLY easy to end up doing 90.<p>Try doing some acceleration runs and I bet it's faster than you think!
 

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Re: Tubo problem - suppose to be fixed (mister2cool)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mister2cool</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah.. it's still only 2500 miles. I never really expected the R to be as fast as STi, and I got the car fulling knowing that, and I am ok with that. <br>It's people like Mike that keep jazzing me up. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>do some excelerating from above 70mph.... you will be suprised at the R. In that territory the stock R will walk most modded STi's. This is just one example of how different the R is from EVO's/STi's. Of course this (above 60mph) if the R's forte' and sprinting short distance from one close turn to the next is where an STi will be right at home.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R_Rated</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>do some excelerating from above 70mph.... you will be suprised at the R. In that territory the stock R will walk most modded STi's. This is just one example of how different the R is from EVO's/STi's. Of course this (above 60mph) if the R's forte' and sprinting short distance from one close turn to the next is where an STi will be right at home.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good point. This is where the gears help the R and vice versa.
 

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my modded R had a modded STi ALL OVER my A$$ at Buttonwillow. I had to let him pass. He was clearly faster than me. not sure how i would have fared at high speed...
 

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Please guys.. no more comparing R with STi. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I hate to burst your bubbles, but even a modded R doesn't have a chance with even a stock STi. It's simple math really, the same HP and torque driving 800lbs less, plus STi has a much better cooled IC. Torque peak in STi is 3700 RPM, and turbo kicks in at about 2500RPM, and pulls hard all the way to 7000RPM red line, in every gear!!! It's quite amazing that it could pull almost as hard doing 110 in 6th as 60 in 4th. It's engine revs up so fast that rarely I was able to do WOT without hitting rev limiter in 2nd gear, and that's with the help of it's built in shift light which I set to go off at 6K. <p>It's completely not fair to compare R against cars like STi or EVO. Those are built for speed and no much else. Speed and power is priority #1, and creature comfort is far down the list. For example, STi has a feature that automatically disengages AC compressor when hard acceleration is required, NO sound insultation anywhere, not even carpet in the trunk, and when was the last time you saw a car with simple bench backseats that doesn't even fold?<p>When I switched to R, I wasn't expecting the same kind of performance, and I was ok with that. I was hugely disappointed when I noticed that I could barely keep up with other avg family cars on the road and anything with a V8 were leaving me in the dust. Thanks to you guys who pointed out that was not normal at all, I brought it back for service and was able to correct the turbo control valve problem. <p>This brought performance back, and I do notice the car being much quicker. When I said I was still disappointed, I meant I was probably too anxious and thinking the R would become a machine much closer to what I had in STi, so it was more for incorrect expectations.<p>Having said all these, I have no regrets switching from STi to a R. The subie had all the speed there is, but I wanted more than just brutal speed, I mean anyone can make a Pinto go lightening fast and probably get great handling as well, but people would laugh at you regardless. and that's where the R fit the bill perfectly. What really bugs is some of the comments/threads I see sound almost like you guys are living in a dream world thinking the R is something that it's not, and wasn't meant to be.<p>I just want to be able to appreciate the R's for what it really is.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by mister2cool at 10:32 AM 6-26-2006</i>
 

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I just have to chime in here. Mrcool, it sounds like you have a very slow R. I was on a closed circuit this weekend and ran with a 2004 STI. This circuit consisted of a 1/4 mile straight away right after a 40mph gradual turn. Then there were many twisties to follow. The course was 1.4 miles long. I have a GT to boot with minor bolt on mods. Coming out of that 40mph turn and hitting the 1/4 mile straight away with me on his rear end ( I know the fellow that owns this car) he could not pull on me in the slightest (which I found surprising) I followed him for 2 laps. I must agree that he did take me quite handedly in the twisties (kept withing 2 car lenghts when he was pushing it hard) Then it was my turn to lead. Coming out of the 40mph turn and on to that straight away, I noticed 2-3 car lenghths between us every time (two laps) and in the twisties he could ride me like no tomorrow. At the end of the day, mutual respect was in order. We both agreed out of that 40mph turn and on to that straight, I handled him with no problem. And in the twisties he was a god. All in all the subie did NOT rule the R. He was very disapointed in that. (Because of his 800 lb weight advantage) From 0-60 he had me by a car lenth and a half. (.5sec) and to take a 4 door sedan with all of the luxuries we have in the R and run with a monster like the STI was great for me ( and other Volvo owners at the track) and terrible for him ( and the other cult like subie owners there). Different strokes for different folks. I just think you have a "dog like" R that need more than a little attention by the dealer. I wish I was near you and could put you in my 04. There would be a very big smile on your face(while driving) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> and a frown when you got into yours. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> And for that I would leave that damn car at the dealer untill there are no other possibilities that could be hindering your R. Just my 2c's Rick
 

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ok.. maybe I do need to drive someone else's R and see if there really is something seriously wrong with mine, or have someone else try mine.<p>I really don't want to debate R vs. whatever anymore. It's pointless.<p>When is the next GTG in this area?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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This is not pointless, unless you are content on a "<I>SUB-PAR R</I>. We are mearly offering you <U>other</U> points of view. I kno0w it stinks to have <U>us</U> tell you otherwise about your R. But we are only trying to help you realize that from what <B>you</B> have posted, there is something wrong with your R. If you do not get the feeling when you are driving the R that you <B>can</B> pull on most cars next to you. You are not getting the R experience! You are getting a <B>sub-par R experience</B> nothing more. And to have a title like "<I>mr2cool</I> and to feel less than that is no good!
 
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