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Spent 3 days instructing at GIR (roval) had some fairly new General UHP's on and they rolled over pretty bad when pushed, but after many heat cycles they got faster, but still squealed like pigs. Thanks to all that posted how to disable TC. I never turned a lap with it on. <p>I splurged for 1/2 tank of 100 octane Sunoco, what a difference that made, I was 10 to 15 MPH faster out of turn 7 on to the oval compared to 93 octane. <p>No surprise how many guys came by and commented how fast the R was but I had to point by a number of instructor driven M3's of each variety but most all had race tires.<p>Can't wait to go back!<p>STLVINNY <br>04 V70R 6M, Blk/Nord, intake, "hack job" exhaust, hawk pads.<p><br>
 

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Re: Track Day Results (needsdecaf)

if you had an ECU upgrade and a dp AND that 100 octane, along with some springs/bars those M3s would NOT be going by you. it would be the other way around. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Glad to see some folks take their cars to the track for some legitimate racing fun. Much more enjoyable to read these. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>
 

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Re: Track Day Results (Pat S)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Pat S</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Glad to see some folks take their cars to the track for some legitimate racing fun. Much more enjoyable to read these. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>We sure do......
 

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Re: Track Day Results (stlvinny)

guys please advise live in uk london<br>we get 95 or 98 ron<br>£ 1.05 per liter<br>how do they comp to 100 oct.
 

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Re: Track Day Results (23109VC)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>23109VC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you had an ECU upgrade and a dp AND that 100 octane, along with some springs/bars those M3s would NOT be going by you. it would be the other way around. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not from my experiance...the E46 M3 still faster all the way around the track. Those E46's in competent hands are fassssttttt
 

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driver skill is important - yes.<p>i only went to the track once. The E46 that was in front of me was pretty fast. I'd say the guy driving it was probably on a similar experience level as I was - beginner. We were basically on the same pace...i'd hang with him in the turns..but on the straighs, I'd reel him in and have to back off to avoid getting too close after a couple of laps of TRYING to get away from me - he pointed me by. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>of course I had to point by a guy in an STi who was way faster than me....
 

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vinny:<p>How fast do you think you were going down the front stretch? I think the fastest i hit there was about 127. I think I was usually exiting Nascar 4 at only about 80 mph. That was the 2nd weekend in June. <br>The worst part of that day was having to share track time with some Mini club. Alot of selfish guys who just could not get over themselves and let a much faster car pass. I would do 3 laps sometimes for a hand signal form some of these clowns. <p>Course was kind of small for my liking. I was spoiled though by getting to run full course at VIR though (3.27 miles)
 

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Re: Track Day Results (stlvinny)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stlvinny</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spent 3 days instructing at GIR (roval) had some fairly new General UHP's on and they rolled over pretty bad when pushed, but after many heat cycles they got faster, but still squealed like pigs. Thanks to all that posted how to disable TC. I never turned a lap with it on. <p>I splurged for 1/2 tank of 100 octane Sunoco, what a difference that made, I was 10 to 15 MPH faster out of turn 7 on to the oval compared to 93 octane. <p>No surprise how many guys came by and commented how fast the R was but I had to point by a number of instructor driven M3's of each variety but most all had race tires.<p>Can't wait to go back!<p>STLVINNY <br>04 V70R 6M, Blk/Nord, intake, "hack job" exhaust, hawk pads.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sounds like a good time! Maybe you can convince Warren from the screening room to get his Volvo out on the track! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Any brake fade issues?<p>Was the MINI club the Phil Wicks school? If so I'm surprised as well that they were out on the track with other cars - the Phil Wicks school at Sebring was run with MINI only slots. I do agree they get a bit heady - they're pretty fast in corners, but there are <I>much</I> faster cars out there in the straights.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Grendel</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Was the MINI club the Phil Wicks school? If so I'm surprised as well that they were out on the track with other cars - the Phil Wicks school at Sebring was run with MINI only slots. I do agree they get a bit heady - they're pretty fast in corners, but there are <I>much</I> faster cars out there in the straights.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes it was the Phil Wicks school and they were on the track wiht everyone else mixed in. All different types of vehicles.<p>I did not have any brke fade issues with the stock brakes when I was out there, FYI. Seemed to be pretty steady all day.
 

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I'm heading back to Pacific Raceways in August. I hope it doesn't get to hot that day. I'm putting a tank of 96 in anyway so the heat shouldn't be a big problem (average is around low 80's that time of year here.) I've got BSR Stage 1 and TME springs and am thinking about doing the intake mod and resonator removal.<p>On my track you only get up to about 115 in the straight before a 180 degree sweeping corner. I was amazed I had no brake fade issues after a 25 minute session and my calipers stayed grey colored. I have since installed braided steel brake lines (takspeed), titanium shims, and ATE fluid (the amber not the blue) just an extra measure so I don't have to worry at all about the brakes. I had inquired previously about brake pads but the consensus was that the stock pads are fine for recreational lapping. I was considering the Porterfield R4S pads but they sound like the performance is similar to OEM with less dusting and they are very expensive. Not worth the money for less dusting IMHO. (I've got the titanium wheels which don't show the dust as bad anyway.)<p>On the issue of track lapping, wouldn't it be better to keep the DTSC in reduced mode instead of completely off just as a measure of safety? Seems like reduced mode will let you feel the car start to lose it's grip a little without interferring but will back you up if you don't react appropriately and get in a bad situation. (I'm actually hoping it will rain that day as I want to see how the R does in the rain compared to others.)<p>Second question is what tire pressure do people recommend. I'm running the stock Rossos. Love thrashing them as I just put these on for the summer and switch back to my Neros in the winter. It will be fun though choosing a new summer tire with ocassional lapping in mind. Probably have to do that next Spring at the rate these tires are suppose to wear. They performed great at the track though but there was some pretty good chunking on my front right. I think an afternoon of lapping pretty much says bye bye to the usefulness of the front right anyway unless you really overinflate it. But that would be at the cost of traction wouldn't it?<br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jazee</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Second question is what tire pressure do people recommend. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Try +3lbs hot to start <p>and use an accurate gauge
 

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I was at 90-95 exiting Nascar 4 and about the same 125-130 before thowing out the anchor for 1, but I usually beat most everyone on the banking, I've raced NASCAR pavement modifieds & late models for years so I'm pretty much matted when ever I'm on the banking, ecxept for the occasional left foot tap at the brake to pull the nose down.<p>What a hoot though!<p>Vinny
 

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Re: Track Day Results (Grendel)

No brake fad what so ever, the Hawk street pads are awesome, and just to be safe I gravity bled all new fluid in about a week before, so I had a really firm pedal. Funny thing though in stock cars you have to coast into the banked turns and let the track catch you, kind of a momentum thing, well I apply the same principle to some road course turns, and just let the car slide into the corner while trail braking a bit, I do it for sure in the carousel at GIR, it's harder on tires but easier on brakes.<p>Sure is fun though!<p>Vinny
 

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Re: Track Day Results (jazee)

I took my R to the same track when it was a month old, the Pirellis stuck much better at the limit than the el jippo Generals, and I did not know how to properly turn all the DSC stuff off completely, the closest I got was "DTSC reduced" and I could feel it stepping in when exiting a turn at full drift, it felt like the engine had a slight misfire, it really sucked IMO, but all that stuff is designed for proper street driving. <p>I remember reading an early review of the R's and a couple of auto journalists commented on how un driveable the R's were with everything off, but the rumor was that those "press" cars had some special factory ECU tuning that was pretty wild, I also heard this from a dealer in Chattanooga, TN that bought one of the cars and they made his service dept. set the software back to stock to sell the car. <p>Vinny<br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>23109VC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you had an ECU upgrade and a dp AND that 100 octane, along with some springs/bars those M3s would NOT be going by you. it would be the other way around. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>You don't really need to have the ECU upgrade at the track to take the M3's out. Simple exhaust upgrades, sways, springs and new braided brake lines along with 100 octane will easily get those M3's. <p>I lapped the the M3 a bunch of times at the last track event in Las Vegas. It was even in the 100's.<p>It's mostly drivers skill that determines the out come at the track...whether you have the ECU upgrade or not.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stlvinny</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I did not know how to properly turn all the DSC stuff off completely, the closest I got was "DTSC reduced" and I could feel it stepping in when exiting a turn at full drift, it felt like the engine had a slight misfire, it really sucked IMO, but all that stuff is designed for proper street driving. <p> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You should learn how to get the DTSC to completely turn off. I've done a few track events exploring the differences in the cars handling with different settings. Basically when ever you keep the DTSC on, the car pushes in the turn's causing you to slow down and over correct to make the exit. You get a much better control in the Apex if you keep it off. You can also remove the rear spare tire to help the rear from stepping out.<p>The R has better braking and some stronger cornering (with sways and springs) then most cars. You can take control of the track if you can concentrate on perfecting these strong points. I've also seen some 500 hp cars that get lapped by 140hp cars, because they don't know how to control their car.<br>
 

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Re: Track Day Results (stlvinny)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stlvinny</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I could feel it stepping in when exiting a turn at full drift...<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Full drift? Hugh? I thought the quickest way around any track is the fastest the car will go without losing traction. That's why you don't see F1 drivers 'drifting' in the corners.<p>I'm defintely going to take the spare and trunk deck out when I hit the track next time. Won't be a able to drive solo though until my third trip out as I'm doing the driving school again with my Father just for fun. But at least I'll fulfill my 'traffic' management requirement so I can go solo next time. Then I'll experiment with DTSC reduced versus off.<p>
 

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I would at least keep it in reduced mode. That would get you use to the transistion and also it helps preserve your brakes. You could really cook the brakes keeping the DTSC on. The car doesn't know your tracking the car...it just thinks your a terrible driver that needs lots of corrections. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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