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I participated in the SCDA track day at Lime Rock yesterday (8/10). I'd been on the track before, but never in my car, and never with SCDA. It was quite an experience. Not having too much track time, I chose to drive with an instructor which was very helpful. He was somewhat familiar with the R, which helped us (both) acclimate to the track and get a sense of what the car could do. It did (we did) well, and had a ball. <p>I learned very much and with each run (there were four, with classroom (chalk talks time in between), I became more comfortable with the car and the track. My lines improved (though it is clear I have much more to improve). The day was very HOT at about 90+ and humid. I very much appreciated my FMIC, and still not a lovely day for turbo motors. <p>I was running HPS pads and they were just barely ok. The key to my track times was not more power but my ability to shut it down fast enough to find and stick to my line and power through the turn. The AWD seemed helpful in this arrangement as I had grip to power on through and exiting the turn where the M3's and other RWD were losing their rear end (but only if I wasn't too hot coming in (for which I was struggling regularly). I had 14k on my stock tires and so this was an opportunity to burn them up. I did somewhat, I hate them as they were ok until they got very hot and slippery. <p>I want track pads, with great brake fluid.<br>I want track wheels with R compound (or close) tires <p>Some VERY impressive hardware on the track. Widely varied in performance and so lots of point byes. The R seemed very competitive with everything in my group (though much depends on driver skill and confidence). Lots of M3s, Mazda MX5, Porsche Cayenne, S4's, a fast RS4, and a Ferrari 430 (not so fast though sounded nice). <p>Here are some pics...<p>Coming in from a run.<br><IMG SRC="http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp246/JohnR352photo/DSC_0137.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Exiting Big Ben<br><IMG SRC="http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp246/JohnR352photo/DSC_0170.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>chasing down some cars<br><IMG SRC="http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp246/JohnR352photo/DSC_0019.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>being chased<br><IMG SRC="http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp246/JohnR352photo/DSC_0020-1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>My instructor saying a quiet little prayer<br><IMG SRC="http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp246/JohnR352photo/DSC_0172.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I'm going to do a more of these as it was fun and provided a few things:<p>1. An opportunity to dramatically assess and improve my driving skill<br>2. An opportunity to justify my mods and commitment to the car<br>3. An opportunity to spend lots of money in a very short period of time, and have it feel worth it (though 100 octane gas was $9.25/G)<br>4. Family came out and got to see what all the fuss was about, and my wife no longer complains about my exhaust sound.<p>You should do this. <p><br><i>Modified by Johnr352 at 11:30 AM 8-11-2009</i><p><br><i>Modified by Johnr352 at 11:32 AM 8-11-2009</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Johnr352 at 11:37 AM 8-11-2009</i>
 

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Re: Track Day - Lime Rock (Johnr352)

Thanks for sharing! Looked like a fun time! And your R looks great <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johnr352</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I want track pads, with great brake fluid.<br>I want track wheels with R compound (or close) tires <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Get some Ferodo DS2500 pads front and rear, the TiSpeed shims, and Motul 600 fluid. Also take the dust cover plates off the back of the front rotors. Your brakes on track will now be awesome. If you want a firmer pedal, some suggest SS lines too, but I'm happy with OEM lines.<p>I would also suggest sticking with road-legal tires for the next few events. Get used to balancing the car on the limit at a lower threshold before upping said threshold.<p>Also, build a camera mount and <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQPCJVA9JOo&fmt=22" TARGET="_blank">film your trackday fun!</A> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Track Day - Lime Rock (Johnr352)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johnr352</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...though 100 octane gas was $9.25/G...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ouch.<p>Would it be the same if you just did premium gas with a bottle of octane boost? Cheaper for sure.
 

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Re: Track Day - Lime Rock (Warpedcow)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Warpedcow</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Get some Ferodo DS2500 pads front and rear, the TiSpeed shims, and Motul 600 fluid. Also take the dust cover plates off the back of the front rotors. Your brakes on track will now be awesome. If you want a firmer pedal, some suggest SS lines too, but I'm happy with OEM lines.<p>I would also suggest sticking with road-legal tires for the next few events. Get used to balancing the car on the limit at a lower threshold before upping said threshold.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have the SS lines, but the shims, pads, and dust cover plates are a good idea. I also, reluctantly, agree with you on the tires too. Just need to pick the right ones.
 

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Re: Track Day - Lime Rock (S60R1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>S60R1</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Ouch.<p>Would it be the same if you just did premium gas with a bottle of octane boost? Cheaper for sure.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not sure, as what I've read, there's nothing like the 100 octane... as you need a ton of octane boost to actually get 7 points. In the end I figured I was in for so much that another $70 in gas was hardly noticeable...
 

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Good stuff!
 

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Re: Track Day - Lime Rock (Johnr352)

Hey I did that track in the Wet back in April. I had major stopping issue but not due to skidding. Just no power to the brakes and would constantly come in hot into big bend barely keeping the car on the track. I would have to start on the brakes way out before the first marker. You have any of those issues? I found it was a bad master cylinder as most of the problems went away on the road but haven't been back to the track to find out for sure.<p>Hey were you rolling your tires in the turns on those 19's?<p>If there were black rubber marks on the outer edge of the rims this would be the case and you were very close to kissing pavement. I was afraid to use my 19's -1.) because I thought I would run the rims on the pavement in the corners. 2.) they are very square.<p>Car looks great btw.
 

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Re: Track Day - Lime Rock (PMPN8EZ)

Thanks!<p>I ran the tires at 45 psi as I was sensitive to rolling the tires. I don't seem to have any rubber marks. I suspect in the heat the tires just slid. It's something I'm thinking about though and would like to try a lighter, smaller rim (18").<p>I would honk on the brakes at about the 6 marker from maybe 115 mph to lose enough speed to then power through the second apex. But it took some tries to figure that out as the first couple of runs I came in faster and then was fighting to stay on line so I would scrub off speed late and be slower on exit. Learning as I go...
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johnr352</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks!<p>I ran the tires at 45 psi as I was sensitive to rolling the tires. I don't seem to have any rubber marks. I suspect in the heat the tires just slid. It's something I'm thinking about though and would like to try a lighter, smaller rim (18").<p>I would honk on the brakes at about the 6 marker from maybe 115 mph to lose enough speed to then power through the second apex. But it took some tries to figure that out as the first couple of runs I came in faster and then was fighting to stay on line so I would scrub off speed late and be slower on exit. Learning as I go...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Get some nice 17" OZ Ultraleggeras in black. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Track Day - Lime Rock (Needsdecaf)

As most here know I have a good amount of track time in our beloved R's. I would agree with above posters. Ferodo pads are great! 17 inch track wheels and tires ideal because everything is cheaper. I tried 18s and it just hurts when tires only last two or three events and you put out over a $1000 for track capable 18s. Versus 17s are maybe 5 to 600 a set. TI shims are a must unless you want bronze looking calipers (I found a fellow R track guy that way once at Petit LeMans at Road Atlanta HaHaHa). Plus 17s are lighter. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Ohh one more thing Slow in Fast out in AWD be patient. It is a very fun track car!! enjoy
 

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Re: Track Day - Lime Rock (ZekeUSMC)

Slow in, fast out, - Exactly!!! and words to live by in so many ways...
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johnr352</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I have the SS lines, but the shims, pads, and dust cover plates are a good idea. I also, reluctantly, agree with you on the tires too. Just need to pick the right ones. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agree with Zeke and Needsdecaf, get 17s for the track. Maybe start with Bridgestone Potenza RE050A or similar tire with a strong sidewall and start around 31-32psi cold, you should end up around 38-40psi hot though you may need to bleed even more air out to hit those hot temps. I get ZERO sidewall wear with my 17 inch RE050As on track running 38-39 psi hot. The key is having a tire with a strong sidewall. The "workaround" of running excessive psi on a weaker tires causes more problems than it solves IMHO and risks catastrophic tire failure.<p>Once you get the brake pads/fluid sorted, the R on performance street tires should provide consistent 1G braking in the dry, and probably 0.8G braking in the wet.<p><br>
 

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Re: Track Day - Lime Rock (Warpedcow)

Slow in Fast out at lime rock doesn't work so well at big bend. Need brake late or everyone else carrying speed in the straight will pass you and then you will have a very hard time passing in the S's for half a lap. At least what i found. I had a lot of people fly by me because i had to brake really early and go slow in. Again could have been my master cylinder giving out.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Get some nice 17" OZ Ultraleggeras in black. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>+1
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PMPN8EZ</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I had a lot of people fly by me because i had to brake really early and go slow in. Again could have been my master cylinder giving out.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Was your entry speed a lot slower, or were you just starting your braking earlier because of master cylinder issues, but entering at the same speed as everyone else? Either would cause faster drivers to fly by you <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>You guys need to get a G2X or similar telemetry device <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> It gives you awesome data like <A HREF="http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Brainerd_International_Raceway_2006_Volvo_S60R%2C_2:03.5" TARGET="_blank">this.</A> <p>Also, <A HREF="http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Turn_by_turn_guide_to_the_Lime_Rock_track" TARGET="_blank">here is a great LRP guide.</A>
 

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OMG<p>How did the AMG S class do?!?!?!? Hahahah.<p>Probably the only car more comfortable on that track.
 

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Re: Track Day - Lime Rock (Warpedcow)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Warpedcow</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Was your entry speed a lot slower, or were you just starting your braking earlier because of master cylinder issues, but entering at the same speed as everyone else? Either would cause faster drivers to fly by you <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>You guys need to get a G2X or similar telemetry device <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> It gives you awesome data like <A HREF="http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Brainerd_International_Raceway_2006_Volvo_S60R%2C_2:03.5" TARGET="_blank">this.</A> <p>Also, <A HREF="http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Turn_by_turn_guide_to_the_Lime_Rock_track" TARGET="_blank">here is a great LRP guide.</A> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>This T by T for LR is great. Thanks. Telemetry would be cool, it's on the list. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Johnr352 at 5:32 PM 8-12-2009</i>
 
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