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Had to top it off with water for the 2nd time in 6 months. Doesn't seem normal. I haven't seen any leaks. Whats my problem?<p>Also, just use volvo coolant?
 

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Topping up every six months isnt so bad. Just depends on how much you are having to add each time! I tend to drive older cars (over 10 years) so am used to topping up coolant from time to time.<p><br>coolant reservoirs can be a bit deceptive. The min max refer to levels when the coolant is cold. If you fill to a certain level when the engine is warm, close the cap etc you will find the level has dropped again as the coolant contracts. To see if it is dropping, check when cold, then add fluid and check level again once engine/car is completely cool again.<p>Further, small fluid leaks can be a cause of gradual coolant loss and unfortunately can be tricky to find. Often easier once they have been going for some time and the colourful antifreeze crystals can be seen.<p>Small slow leaks can leak more fluid that you might expect. My 960 had a tiny fluid leak from the thermostat housing. Coolant was dribbling very slightly over the housing. On inspection, it looked like a tiny spray of water. The area was only slightly damp . However, it was enough to loose about a litre of coolant from the expansion tank over a few days.<p>I'd think you are more likely to have a small leak somewhere. The most extreme cause of coolant loss is the head gasket. Pressurising the coolant system and seeing if it holds pressure may indicate a leak somewhere but it wont differentiate between a small hose seeping fluid and a small HG fault.<p>Also, the "acidity test" of coolant to check for headgasket failure is also flawed if the coolant is anything but new or well within its service life (from 2 to 5 years). Anti-freeze contains a lot of additives, anticorrosion additives and anti acidity additives. Ethylene glycol (main part!) oxidises in air to form acids. These need to be countered to protect the metal of the engine. The "exhaust gas in coolant" check also checks for acidity and can be mis-leading as it can simply detect the acidity of old antifreeze.<p>I think white smoke from the exhaust might be more indicative of coolant loss via the head gasket.
 

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My older Volvos have always been coolant whores. My 850 was filling up every 2-6 weeks, moreso of the heat. Also IIRC the reservoir lids on these things have a fantastic way of melting/popping so watch that little bit for problems.
 

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I hope when you top it off you are doing so with distilled water! Never use tap water in your cooling system, you don't need the mineral buildup, trust me.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shimon</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Topping up every six months isnt so bad. Just depends on how much you are having to add each time! I tend to drive older cars (over 10 years) so am used to topping up coolant from time to time.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Are you serious? I never heard of this.<p>I am at 3 years with my car and my coolant level hasn't moved whatsoever. I wouldn't expect any P2R to have coolant level issues. I know there have been several issues of air pockets getting trapped in brand new models and taking quite some time to break loose, but other than that, it shouldn't be "eating" coolant.
 

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I swear my coolant bottle is getting more full as I drive the car~!<p>...but that might just be the dealer screwing with my head...
 

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I've had a similar issue since I bought mine in December. I had the Volvo dealer top off (was there getting a new key programmed) back in January/early February and then my wife had to top it off this past weekend on a trip to Michigan with her mom. At the first top off, I honestly don't know if it was low when I bought it or not.<p>No leaks ever when parked so I may change my vote from the "carry some 50/50" above to "the unicorn"... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I wouldn't expect any P2R to have coolant level issues , but other than that, it shouldn't be "eating" coolant.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Coolant is delicious <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> Keep it comin!!!<p>On a serious note... Could be the start of a headgasket failure that just hasn't surfaced as a problem... yet <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> ! It could explain why you don't see a leak... A slow amount of coolant going into 1 or more cylinders would just evaporate and be blown out the tailpipe yet not enough to cause anything too noticable as far performance loss. What is the longest you have let your car just idle over a dry surface? Last go to any competent autoparts store and mention that you are looking for a florecent fluid to add to the coolant tank to identify a leak, and they will hook you up. Then go get a few black light bulbs (or any UV producing light) and swap out you standard incandecent bulbs in your work lights. The stuff is amazing, it has helped me identify numerous coolant and PS fluid leaks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Any other issues? Good Luck... By the way... Phuz is right: Not Normal <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41EY647106L._SL500_AA280_.jpg" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>adykes</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hope when you top it off you are doing so with distilled water! Never use tap water in your cooling system, you don't need the mineral buildup, trust me.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, I just go to my distilled water pump...<p>Don't really have a choice sometimes. I will probably have to take it in, only because I've got about 300 miles left on warranty, and they love me for warranty claims.<p>Regardless, I don't have any other issues at all.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BeerEngineer</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Yeah, I just go to my distilled water pump...<p>Don't really have a choice sometimes. I will probably have to take it in, only because I've got about 300 miles left on warranty, and they love me for warranty claims.<p>Regardless, I don't have any other issues at all.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Amazingly enough they sell distilled water at just about every grocery store in handy to carry 1 gallon jugs. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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My car only gets Volvic<br><A HREF="http://www.volvic-na.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvic-na.com</A>/<p>Topping off is a completely normal occurrence, even with no leak.<br>If there is no leak, then topping off with water is sufficient as it was water lost to begin with. <p>Water does evaporate from the system and a small loss over time is not considered an issue. I would be concerned if I was topping off more than once between services or six months or so. Then check for leaks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<p>Are you serious? I never heard of this.<p>I am at 3 years with my car and my coolant level hasn't moved whatsoever. I wouldn't expect any P2R to have coolant level issues. I know there have been several issues of air pockets getting trapped in brand new models and taking quite some time to break loose, but other than that, it shouldn't be "eating" coolant.[/QUOTE<br>Phuz- if we were talking about my 1964 thunderbird having to add coolant is ok. but for an 04+ its not kool to top off ever so offten you have a rad. issue a heatercore o-ring problem!
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>adykes</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Amazingly enough they sell distilled water at just about every grocery store in handy to carry 1 gallon jugs. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You would think by the order of the California Legislators that Distilled Water is ordered to flow from your tap. You know to protect the baby seals and woodland animals who might otherwise try and drink from the tap and get some chemicals and cause them cancer. Not to protect humans, just the beavers <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>adykes</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Amazingly enough they sell distilled water at just about every grocery store in handy to carry 1 gallon jugs. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>And thats great...if you're within 15 miles of a grocery store. Sometimes you're in northwest ohio, and and you want to leave, and there is only tap water. I did put distilled water in when I was at home, though.<p>And Volvic has tons of minerals, so adykes will disagree with you.
 

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Get a reverse osmosis filter <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> Closer than tap.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AthruC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I swear my coolant bottle is getting more full as I drive the car~!<p>...but that might just be the dealer screwing with my head...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL well most GOOD dealer techs like my sefl. top off the coolant ever time lol
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>adykes</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Get a reverse osmosis filter <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> Closer than tap.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am not putting an RO system into my car. I'm just going to get it pressure tested on friday, possibly flushed.<p>Its very strange, though, because it happens seemingly overnight. I know that on sunday I was just below the max, and all of a sudden, this morning I am magically at the bottom of the tank...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by BeerEngineer at 10:03 AM 4-1-2009</i>
 

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About a year ago, I had to start adding a little water every couple months. Over time, it became more frequent, and eventually took it into the dealer. Radiator was replaced under warranty. Apparently, it's common for P2 cars, according to the service manager.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cklabr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">About a year ago, I had to start adding a little water every couple months. Over time, it became more frequent, and eventually took it into the dealer. Radiator was replaced under warranty. Apparently, it's common for P2 cars, according to the service manager.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks, very helpful. Hopefully I'm just barely under warranty.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by BeerEngineer at 10:47 AM 4-1-2009</i>
 
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