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Today was a bad day.

I have been fortunate that my ride has been overall, very trouble-free. Today I had a meeting in Helena so no big deal, a 14 hour day but no biggie, jump in the trusty V70, drive 245 miles from Billings to Helena, a full day of meetings, drive 245 miles home, routine right...

...Nope!

On the way to Helena, I noticed my rear windows was dirty, used the rear washer and wiper to clean it, ok, no problem. Arrive at my destination, car smells a little hot but doesn't seem to be anything to be concerned about and I'm a few minutes late so in to my meeting I go...

Later in the day, hop in and go, that's funny, the rear window is dirty but it just sat in nice weather all day. Whatever was there before must have been gooey. Wash again, looks clean. Later, hmmm, looks dirty again but weather has been clear and dry. Stop after about 175 miles for gas, now the car smells worse.

I better investigate. Pop the hood, OIL IS EVERYWHERE!!! OMFG, ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? The turbo air intake tube is coated in oil, my heart sank!!! No, it's not coming from near the turbo, thank goodness! Wait, it's really wet around the radiator. Is this tranny fluid? No, it's motor oil. Check the oil level, the F*ing dipstick is loose. Are you kidding, a loose dipstick?! My engine compartment is soaked, the underside of the hood, the valve cover, the top of the intake manifold, soaked. I washeed the rear window, gee look, OIL! I added a couple of quarts of oil, checked the level, properly seated the dipstic, wiped off the fuel rail and drove a few miles. Checked back and everything I wiped off is still clean and no more oil splatter on the rear window. Drove twice as many miles, checked again, ok. Finished the drive home, still ok so I believe I have identified the problem.

Now on to my current predicament. I have electronics such as relays or whatever boxes above the electric fan soaked in oil, who knows what else soaked in oil. What could go wrong and how should I clean this. Also, could a PCV issue cause enough pressure to pop the dipstick out? It seems to seat nicely, not too loose.

To make it more interesting, I think the dealer did this but we'll see if I can convince them. I have separate wheels with winter tires, went in last week for a flat repair and re-balance on one, then to the dealer to have them swap the summer for winter wheels, they do it for $16 and I was busy so that is reasonable to me. Anyway, they said they did a safety check and everything of course was 100% ok. Well right now I would bet $100 that the tire monkey was the dipstick who didn't replace the dipstick. I have NEVER had that happen and I had only driven short drives in town since then before today, explaining why I haven't noticed sooner.

I'm going to go there first thing in the AM, ask for the service manager, and ask for them to clean the bay, in such a way as to not cause more trouble and give me a fresh oil change with full synthetic, which just by chance I don't normally have them do but they did do the last one and it is due and now it has two quarts of non-synthetic mixed in as the gas station had no Mobil 1 or any synthetic. So I will argue my case as a regular customer, see I was just here for tire rotation and earlier for a $70+ oil change (another lame story, gee, they mark up oil, A LOT!). Hopefully they will comply. I'll report back.
 

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oil it self isn't conductive, you could drop a computer in a barrel of it and it'll still run. Just clean stuff off to the best of your ability.

Yes, you absolutely need to check your PCV system, even with a partially unseated dipstick you shouldn't spit that much oil out it.

good luck with the dealer.
 

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Yea, it's PCV. I had the EXACT same issue, like 2 or 3 years ago. PCV was so bad that I couldn't see out the back window and I was losing like a quart every 50 miles (I was far away from home). Replaced the PCV, and I've put on another ~50k miles since then.
 

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Yikes! Hope everything goes well. Definitely might be worth checking the PCV system as well for extra insurance in the long run. (as stated above)
 

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oil it self isn't conductive, you could drop a computer in a barrel of it and it'll still run.
Maybe not conductive but it is flammable. That was my other worry. My luck would have been to have the engine compartment burst in flames on my way to the dealer. I carried a big fire extinguisher just in case although I doubt I could have saved the car if it did ignite.

I went and met with the service manager this morning. I explained what happened. They tried to say something else must be wrong, not that much can come out of the dip stick tube, maybe they made a mistake at the last oil change (which was a surprising statement). That could not be true, as it has been a while since the last oil change and I check the level at about every other gas fill. I had just had it open last week, all was well, went for tire rotation, they checked oil, drove 490 miles, now oil everywhere, found loose dipstick. Anyhow, they agreed to clean it up but no oil change. They were going to have a Volvo tech check it out. Well guess what, no problems found. I know the problem was the dipstick because after I replaced it, no more oil was getting on the areas I wiped off. But regardless, they then agreed to do the oil change at no charge.

Now it may still be an open question, WHY the dipstick was out, maybe a simple mistake, maybe PCV, maybe gremlins. I'll keep my eyes on it and check the PCV system soon.

We'll see if any electronics fail now too...
 

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Get a can of carb cleaner and spray down the areas affected by the oil. It'll clean the oil and evaporate dry within 20 seconds.

As said before, it can't damage the electronics - no need to worry about that.
 

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Now it may still be an open question, WHY the dipstick was out, maybe a simple mistake, maybe PCV, maybe gremlins. I'll keep my eyes on it and check the PCV system soon.

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I've heard of cases where a clogged pcv system has caused so much pressure buildup that it causes the dipstick to come out. Especially if its a turbo car...
 

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Avboden / burnout8488, Ok duh, I get it now about dropping the computer in the oil... Therefore it should not hurt my electronics. Hi, I'm Homer Simpson! Doh!

The dealer took care of the degreasing, their detailer gave it the same treatment as all the used cars that come through. Under the car is still a mess. I'll have to do the undercarriage at the next few car washes.

I must be having a bad web and forum search day too. Any suggestions on links to PCV troubleshooting? I have seen walkthroughs of the job but I can't find the troubleshooting steps. Anything beyond lift the dipstick with the engine running and watch for smoke? Which by the way I did last night and I didn't see any smoke. I'm still convinced their tire monkey didn't replace the stick.
 

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start the engine, remove dipstick, stick balloon or disposable latex glove over dipstick tube, ziptie on if you need, see if it tries to inflate at all. If it does, you have positive pressure in your crank case which means a clogged PCV.

How many miles are on your car? Has the PCV ever been done before?

It truly does sound a LOT like a clogged PCV system.
 

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Here's the first thing I would do. Take the battery out. Turn the Key to position 2 to drain everything. Then, soak EVERYTHING with degreaser and let her sit about 30 minutes. Then, hose her off. Take your time, get it all. Wipe what you can. Let her dry for a few hours, hood popped, maybe even use a heated garage. Then, put the battery back.
 

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125,000 miles, I just picked it up in the spring of '11 with partial service records. No indication PCV has ever been serviced. I know I don't get smoke out of the dipstick hole if I remove the stick when running. Maybe I'll try the balloon thing next week.
 
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