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Hi all,

My tires are already at the 3 mm indicators after 18000km. Is there any recourse I can get for that?

They are Continental ContiSportContact 5p's (summer tires). I never drift or anything, and I did rotate them at their 10000 km interval (since I drive a FWD S60 T5). Is there some manufactures mileage warranty I can claim against?

I bought four of them roughly one and half years ago and I still have the receipt (and they were not cheap).

Is this extremely fast wear normal, Anyone with similar experience? or do I have a case here?


Any help/guidance in this regards is highly appreciated and I thank you guys in advance:)
 

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Those tires do not have any tread life warranty as most, if not all, summer tires.
18,000 KM is low but not too surprising. Summer tires don't last too long.
You can always go back to where you bought them and ask but I would not expect anything in the way of credit.
 

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Hi all,

My tires are already at the 3 mm indicators after 18000km. Is there any recourse I can get for that?

They are Continental ContiSportContact 5p's (summer tires). I never drift or anything, and I did rotate them at their 10000 km interval (since I drive a FWD S60 T5). Is there some manufactures mileage warranty I can claim against?

I bought four of them roughly one and half years ago and I still have the receipt (and they were not cheap).

Is this extremely fast wear normal, Anyone with similar experience? or do I have a case here?


Any help/guidance in this regards is highly appreciated and I thank you guys in advance:)
Just Googled the tire - max performance tire.
Did you research the tire before you bought?
Max performance:thumbup:
Tread wear:thumbdown:
I would say you purchased a tire that does not match the performance of your car - you wasted your money with no recourse.
 

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Just Googled the tire - max performance tire.
Did you research the tire before you bought?
Max performance:thumbup:
Tread wear:thumbdown:
I would say you purchased a tire that does not match the performance of your car - you wasted your money with no recourse.
I did research it first. I needed sticky tires because I had a near miss incident just before purchasing them. When I bought the car the dealer put on some brand new chinese brand (Roadking) and they were hard. One day while I was taking a turn at speed lower than 40 km/h on wet road, the back end slide and nearly made a U-turn. So I decided to get some premium brand sticky tires. I knew they were performance orientated I just wanted their sticky character. I didn't know the would only last 18000 km. They cost me R3265 (~=230 USD) per tire.

Spending roughly 920 USD every 18 months on tires isn't good use of money either. If this wear rate is the best I'M going to get, I think my next purchase is going to a cheap sticky tire, probably at less than half the price of these ones per corner. Because the sticky part is important to me.
 

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I did research it first. I needed sticky tires because I had a near miss incident just before purchasing them. When I bought the car the dealer put on some brand new chinese brand (Roadking) and they were hard. One day while I was taking a turn at speed lower than 40 km/h on wet road, the back end slide and nearly made a U-turn. So I decided to get some premium brand sticky tires. I knew they were performance orientated I just wanted their sticky character. I didn't know the would only last 18000 km. They cost me R3265 (~=230 USD) per tire.

Spending roughly 920 USD every 18 months on tires isn't good use of money either. If this wear rate is the best I'M going to get, I think my next purchase is going to a cheap sticky tire, probably at less than half the price of these ones per corner. Because the sticky part is important to me.
There middle options too... If you went from cheap tires to premium sport tires to avoid sliding on wet pavement. Saving a few bucks on tires could end up costing you way more than spending money on good tires (maybe less sporty?!) if you DO slide on wet pavement... you are going to end up spending WAY more... ;)
 

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Those tires do not have any tread life warranty as most, if not all, summer tires.
18,000 KM is low but not too surprising. Summer tires don't last too long.
You can always go back to where you bought them and ask but I would not expect anything in the way of credit.
Yes, I will give those guys a call. Probably leverage my loyalty for the discount since I bet they would be able to sympathize with my pain.
 

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There middle options too... If you went from cheap tires to premium sport tires to avoid sliding on wet pavement. Saving a few bucks on tires could end up costing you way more than spending money on good tires (maybe less sporty?!) if you DO slide on wet pavement... you are going to end up spending WAY more... ;)
That was my exact logic when I bought these ones. I went all out since replacing tires is way cheaper than replacing fenders.

Yes, I'd probably go for something in the mibrands like Kumho, Nexen, Apollo, Velocity, etc. There is plenty to chose from. Going at the level of Chinese brands the risk of blow out is too high. There is plenty good mid range tire brands, I will just have to look for the one that balances price-to-wear-sticky very well.
 

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That was my exact logic when I bought these ones. I went all out since replacing tires is way cheaper than replacing fenders.

Yes, I'd probably go for something in the mibrands like Kumho, Nexen, Apollo, Velocity, etc. There is plenty to chose from. Going at the level of Chinese brands the risk of blow out is too high. There is plenty good mid range tire brands, I will just have to look for the one that balances price-to-wear-sticky very well.
He's not saying that you need to move to a middle brand, he's saying that you don't need a maximum performance summer only tire just to prevent having the car slide.

For example, Continental makes the all season Pure Contact range which has an estimated 70,000 mile treadlife (112,000 km) and those should still be great tires.

As long as you're choosing maximum performance summer only tires with no treadwear rating, you're going to be replacing them every 15,000 to 25,000 km. That's how super soft tires work.

If you can't stop the car from sliding with anything other than maximum performance summer only tires, you're driving much too fast on public roads.
 

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Best tires for these cars (IMHO) are good AS performance tires like Michelin AS3+. Best traction in everything but snow and mine have a 70k km rating.
I’ve tried both the Pirelli and Continental versions and did not like how the tread got noisier as it wore down.


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He's not saying that you need to move to a middle brand, he's saying that you don't need a maximum performance summer only tire just to prevent having the car slide.

For example, Continental makes the all season Pure Contact range which has an estimated 70,000 mile treadlife (112,000 km) and those should still be great tires.

As long as you're choosing maximum performance summer only tires with no treadwear rating, you're going to be replacing them every 15,000 to 25,000 km. That's how super soft tires work.

If you can't stop the car from sliding with anything other than maximum performance summer only tires, you're driving much too fast on public roads.
Funny, I was thinking that as well and leaning towards Continental ContiSportContact 5 as compared to 5p. I think that is what I should have purchased as it is an OEM tire for South African Volvos as well. PS, in South Africa I believe we are only sold summer tires.

But I want to try something different like Michelin Pilot Sport 4. I think they have the longevity as well and the good wet road performance that I am concerned about. (by the way, if this was 18 months ago I was going to get the Michelin Super Sports or the Cup 2's to maximize this sticky thing I was talking about:):)).
 

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Funny, I was thinking that as well and leaning towards Continental ContiSportContact 5 as compared to 5p. I think that is what I should have purchased as it is an OEM tire for South African Volvos as well. PS, in South Africa I believe we are only sold summer tires.

But I want to try something different like Michelin Pilot Sport 4. I think they have the longevity as well and the good wet road performance that I am concerned about. (by the way, if this was 18 months ago I was going to get the Michelin Super Sports or the Cup 2's to maximize this sticky thing I was talking about:):)).
Going to 4s would be the same boat that I'm in now
 

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Best tires for these cars (IMHO) are good AS performance tires like Michelin AS3+. Best traction in everything but snow and mine have a 70k km rating.
I’ve tried both the Pirelli and Continental versions and did not like how the tread got noisier as it wore down.


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Do you get warranty for the miles for that group of tires?
 

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Do you get warranty for the miles for that group of tires?
Yes, check the Michelin (or other) website.


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Funny, I was thinking that as well and leaning towards Continental ContiSportContact 5 as compared to 5p. I think that is what I should have purchased as it is an OEM tire for South African Volvos as well. PS, in South Africa I believe we are only sold summer tires.

But I want to try something different like Michelin Pilot Sport 4. I think they have the longevity as well and the good wet road performance that I am concerned about. (by the way, if this was 18 months ago I was going to get the Michelin Super Sports or the Cup 2's to maximize this sticky thing I was talking about<img src="http://www.vwvortex.com/Anthony/Smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /><img src="http://www.vwvortex.com/Anthony/Smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />).
I think that the phrase "summer tires" may mean something else in South Africa, because I can guarantee that what are called "summer tires" here in the US are absolutely NOT the only tires available in South Africa. "Summer tires" in the US generally refers to super sticky tires that are not expected to last much more than 20,000 miles and often have no treadwear guarantees.

The Pilot Sport 4 is also a max performance summer tire and I would not expect it to last much longer than the ContiSport Contact 5p tires you have now. Also, the ContiSport Contact 5 carries the same design ratings as the 5p, so it should not last any longer than the 5p.

Basically, as long as you insist on only looking at super sticky tires, you're going to be getting expensive tires that do not last very long. That is the nature of this class of tire.

If you're stuck on Continental, look at the ExtremeContact DWS 06 or even the ContiPro Contact. Both of those should give good performance with much longer life, though others have said that Continental tires get noisy with age.

Personally, I've had good luck with Bridgestone tires and for a car like the S60 would suggest something like the Turanza Serenity Plus (I have these on my old S70 and they do great in the Seattle rain and well in the dry) or the Potenza RE 980 AS if you want something a bit more sporty. Both should easily last 80,000 km under safe but spirited public road driving, assuming the car has a good alignment.
 

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If you wana dance, (sticky tires) you gota pay the band:p
Or you can just go ‘trac pac’ and carry your racing slicks around with you in the back


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I think that the phrase "summer tires" may mean something else in South Africa, because I can guarantee that what are called "summer tires" here in the US are absolutely NOT the only tires available in South Africa. "Summer tires" in the US generally refers to super sticky tires that are not expected to last much more than 20,000 miles and often have no treadwear guarantees.

The Pilot Sport 4 is also a max performance summer tire and I would not expect it to last much longer than the ContiSport Contact 5p tires you have now. Also, the ContiSport Contact 5 carries the same design ratings as the 5p, so it should not last any longer than the 5p.

Basically, as long as you insist on only looking at super sticky tires, you're going to be getting expensive tires that do not last very long. That is the nature of this class of tire.

If you're stuck on Continental, look at the ExtremeContact DWS 06 or even the ContiPro Contact. Both of those should give good performance with much longer life, though others have said that Continental tires get noisy with age.

Personally, I've had good luck with Bridgestone tires and for a car like the S60 would suggest something like the Turanza Serenity Plus (I have these on my old S70 and they do great in the Seattle rain and well in the dry) or the Potenza RE 980 AS if you want something a bit more sporty. Both should easily last 80,000 km under safe but spirited public road driving, assuming the car has a good alignment.
Yes, I agree that the term "summer tires" in USA may not have the same meaning as warm climate countries like South Africa. Around here we strictly do not have tires made for specific seasons, its just tires (but we know they are summer tires:)).

Having said that, the naming of the Continental brand of tires is different on our side. We never had names like Force contact and ExtremeContact DWS and I am not sure why. If you could go through the exercise of adding the Internet TLD: .co.za instead .com for Continental, Pirrelli, Michelin, etc. the range of tires that appear are not season specific.

So from the above, I doubt your assertion that the Conti CSC 5 and Michelin PS4 would not last long. They are summer in terms of temperature range but they should reach over 50000km+ range in terms of thread life. This particular Conti CSC 5 is on over 80% of Mercedes benz cars around here and many replace with the exactly the same tire. I doubt they would buy them again and again every +-20000km especially at that price tag.
 

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So from the above, I doubt your assertion that the Conti CSC 5 and Michelin PS4 would not last long. They are summer in terms of temperature range but they should reach over 50000km+ range in terms of thread life. This particular Conti CSC 5 is on over 80% of Mercedes benz cars around here and many replace with the exactly the same tire. I doubt they would buy them again and again every +-20000km especially at that price tag.
From Continental's website, the 5p and 5 have the same treadwear rating, 280. The Pilot Sport 4 also has a treadwear rating of 280 based on Michelin's website. All three should have roughly the same expected life.

You're welcome to believe whatever you like, but facts are facts. The tire category you're looking at means short treadlife, that's why they're so sticky.
 

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From Continental's website, the 5p and 5 have the same treadwear rating, 280. The Pilot Sport 4 also has a treadwear rating of 280 based on Michelin's website. All three should have roughly the same expected life.

You're welcome to believe whatever you like, but facts are facts. The tire category you're looking at means short treadlife, that's why they're so sticky.
Wow, then in this case I guess my first stab at the solution was the one that makes financial sense. I'll just ditch premium brands for something mid-range.
 

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From Continental's website, the 5p and 5 have the same treadwear rating, 280. The Pilot Sport 4 also has a treadwear rating of 280 based on Michelin's website. All three should have roughly the same expected life.

You're welcome to believe whatever you like, but facts are facts. The tire category you're looking at means short treadlife, that's why they're so sticky.
Wow, then in this case I guess my first stab at the solution was the one that makes financial sense. I'll just ditch premium brands for something mid-range.
Sorry, I made a typo. The Pilot Sport 4 carries a 320 treadwear rating. They should last slightly longer, but not a huge amount.

It does look like you just don't get the long life tires that we get in the US. Kind of a shame.
 
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