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I open with an apology if this topic has been tossed around a lot already but I am down to 3 choices for my 2023 V60 P* Michelin Cross climate 2, Michelin Pilot Sport AS4 and the Continental Extreme Contact DWS06. As much as I love the performance of my wagon I’m concerned about how harsh the UHP choices may be. I do live in Southern New England and snow becomes an issue, however I am retired so if it’s really bad I would most likely sit tight. All 3 choices seem to be well reviewed and have very high customer satisfaction. My bias is towards Michelin and the CC2 looks like a solid choice but I am an enthusiast at heart and have always driven sport oriented cars so the UHP has me intrigued as well. Any either user based or just plain advice from this group would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
 
#2 ·
IMO you can't go too wrong with Michelin or Conti. Someone just posted in the XC60 forum about a bad experience with their DWS06+, but they've been great tires for me and are all around pretty well-regarded. Got about 30K on mine and they're wearing well and have awesome grip in all conditions. I'll probably but them again.
 
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I open with an apology if this topic has been tossed around a lot already but I am down to 3 choices for my 2023 V60 P* Michelin Cross climate 2, Michelin Pilot Sport AS4 and the Continental Extreme Contact DWS06. As much as I love the performance of my wagon I’m concerned about how harsh the UHP choices may be. I do live in Southern New England and snow becomes an issue, however I am retired so if it’s really bad I would most likely sit tight. All 3 choices seem to be well reviewed and have very high customer satisfaction. My bias is towards Michelin and the CC2 looks like a solid choice but I am an enthusiast at heart and have always driven sport oriented cars so the UHP has me intrigued as well. Any either user based or just plain advice from this group would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Michelin Pilot Sports A/4's are a HUGE Pile of S-HIT. 20k and my tires were between upper 5/32nd and lower 6/32nd with regular alignments and tire rotations. 90% Highway Driving.

The A/S 3s lasted for a very long time.

Bought A/S 4's when they first came out under the misconception these tires would be just as good.

As time went on tons of people started complaining of the same irregular wear, and when I reached out to Michelin Corporate, they seem not to care all that much.

There was no way in hell I was running those tires to 2/32nd in hopes of getting my money's worth.

I care about safety. Once tires go below 4/32nds they're toast in my books even if 2/32nds is "Legal".

Once I Got rid of tires, Michelin lost my business. Worst $800 I ever spent.
 
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Thanks for the replies, one thing I haven’t seen discussed much is whether the plug ins tend to go through tires more quickly because of weight and distribution of that weight. I know the my OEM tires were 235/40\19 W XL. I have read about EVs eating through tires. We have serious temperature swings here sub zero to 100+ and over the years I ran summer and winter set ups. But now I am content with all seasons since my commuting days are in the rear view mirror. Not sure if the UHP all seasons can handle the real cold as well as the CC 2s.
 
#8 ·
I've got Bridgestone Turanza Everdrive 80k miles on order. Going to Guinea Pig those all season tires as too new to have longterm feedback.
 
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Another issue is temps below freezing for long stretches, would any UHP all seasons handle that type of cold without becoming hard and slippery. Is the compound used designed to handle very cold, not snowy, just cold. I always felt many people don’t realize a snow tire is better insurance for cold as much as snow. Any thoughts?
 
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I've got a set of DWS 06+ on mine, and they handled the light slush and snow of a northern Virginia Winter very well. They're remarkably consistent from 100F down to 15 F (the lowest morning temperature I saw last Winter). And despite that impressive cold weather performance, they still handle great in the dry. Probably the best all-season tire in the rain too. I don't understand where the bad experiences with this tire come from, other than poor installation jobs (or bad alignments). I've had them on multiple cars, they've always been awesome, and I'll keep using them.

I had a set of Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4's on my Blackwing, and they never felt as confident in the cold. Granted, that's a car with more power going to only the rear wheels. They just lacked grip in sub-freezing temperatures until they had been given some time to warm up. The Contis are remarkable in that their grip is consistent from dead cold.
 
#10 ·
Out of those choices I would get the AS4's - the CC2's just look like noise machines to me and if you're interested in sporty handling I don't know that that's the purpose there.
 
#11 ·
And a tire that won't make it to 30k.....AS4’S handle well but wear like crap.
 
#13 ·
I looked at the CC2 to use as a year round tire. I am sure it's a great tire but it looked pretty truck-ish to me for a sportwagon so I could not do it esthetically. Also some reviews of it I read were mixed.
I ended up keeping the stock Contis and bought a 2nd set of Polestar Eng wheels and put Michelin Ice-X's on for winter. When the Contis wear out I will put on some Michelin summer tires.
 
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Good luck. I believe that most high performance tires will suit you fine, and one’s experience will largely hinge on the confidence one has with the purchase.

I had a set of the AS/3s on my SportWagen and GTI for summer and the X-ice 3s for the winters. The AS/3s were great. I just got a set of the AS/4s on my V60 last November and so far, so good. I also have a set of CC2s on my Ridgeline and while they are better than the stock General Grabbers, I do prefer the AS/4s.

It sounds like I’ll have to replace these in 20k, though my point is still that most folks here will find a tire brand or particular line and really love them. Good luck with your install.
 
#24 ·
Good luck. I believe that most high performance tires will suit you fine, and one’s experience will largely hinge on the confidence one has with the purchase.

I had a set of the AS/3s on my SportWagen and GTI for summer and the X-ice 3a as the winters. The AS/3s were great. I just got a set of the AS/4s on my V60 last November and so far, so good. I also have a set of CC2s on my Ridgeline and while they are better than the stock General Grabbers, I do prefer the AS/4s.

It sounds like I’ll have to replace these in 20k, though my point is still that most folks here will find a tire brand or particular line and really love them. Good luck with your install.
I loved the A/S 3's and those were my go to tires. Ran and lasted well over advertised. I was die hard Michelin until the A/S 4s.

As a majority highway driver that does regular rotations and alignments, I was quite pissed to be at high 5/32nds or low 6/32nds at 20k.

The tires performed well (quiet, handling, etc), but at a huge cost. I spent $800 on a set of 4 with install, and don't enjoy squandering money on something that doesn't last anywhere near advertised.

@Ultrarunner511 said Michelin went to soy? I don't know firsthand, but their new compounding is a disaster.
 
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Yah i concur @MyVolvoS60. Nobody wants to spend more money on tires if they do not have to do so. I hope to get more than 20k on mine, though I appreciate your heads up on these AS/4s. The AS/3's were really incredible tires. Most of my driving is highway and I got the Ridgeline to help extend the life of my V60. That said, @Ultrarunner511 I hope the AS/5's come out soon enough to correct the rice byproduct fiasco.

@JTMav I agree. My experience with the AS/3's, X-Ice 3's, and CC2s has been great. I did not like the stock Pirellis and I noticed a huge difference when I changed. I had bad experiences with Continentals and a few others, hence my POV. Additional factors like location, driving habits, highway/city, and care will have an effect. Good luck with the swaperoo.

It would be nice if we were able to better track and share performance with tires over their lifespan on our vehicles and share this data.

good luck to all.
 
#29 ·
I agree that over the ownership of the tires we should occasionally check in especially if any of us are having an issue. MyV60 came with Continental Premium Contac6, which are a summer grand touring tire. At 30k my rears were down to 3/32. How Volvo decides what tires they put on our new cars is as mysterious to me as doing a rubics cube blindfolded.
Thanks again for all your help
 
#30 ·
From what I have read and heard from sales friends, Manufacturers bid to push their lines of tires on manufacturers & specific cars. E.g. I believe Pirelli struck a deal with Volvo for a number of years. Sales people at dealers are also encouraged to promote said line of tires above others.
 
#31 ·
I think the general consensus is that manufacturers make good and bad tires, so brand loyalty isn't always a winning solution.

I would definitely say the Michelin as4s ride a lot smoother than the Bridgestone ever drive turanza that replaced those tires. However, I have not been driving on them that long to really give a final verdict.

I can say the tread depth on the Bridgestone is a lot thicker when new than the michelins were.
 
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Michelin Pilot Sports A/4's are a HUGE Pile of S-HIT. 20k and my tires were between upper 5/32nd and lower 6/32nd with regular alignments and tire rotations. 90% Highway Driving.
This was my experience with the original Pilot Sport A/S several years ago. Never went back to them due to the amount of issues I had on the first generation.
Another issue is temps below freezing for long stretches, would any UHP all seasons handle that type of cold without becoming hard and slippery. Is the compound used designed to handle very cold, not snowy, just cold. I always felt many people don’t realize a snow tire is better insurance for cold as much as snow. Any thoughts?
I can confirm the CC2 is just fine in the freezing temps. We have had ours in the mountains of CO in the middle of winter in blizzard conditions and they do just fine. Even at home in MO when we have below 0F temps, we don't have issues.
Out of those choices I would get the AS4's - the CC2's just look like noise machines to me and if you're interested in sporty handling I don't know that that's the purpose there.
They aren't as quiet as the OE P-Zero AS that were on my V60, but they aren't loud by any means.
Comes with the territory. I've never gotten 30k out of a set of tires and I drive like a little old lady!
I mean, if you are only getting 30k out of a tire...something is wrong...or just a super soft compound. We have over 60k miles on a set of CC2 on our GMC Terrain and they will be replaced due to the rubber starting to crack, not because of tread depth.
I looked at the CC2 to use as a year round tire. I am sure it's a great tire but it looked pretty truck-ish to me for a sportwagon so I could not do it esthetically. Also some reviews of it I read were mixed.
I ended up keeping the stock Contis and bought a 2nd set of Polestar Eng wheels and put Michelin Ice-X's on for winter. When the Contis wear out I will put on some Michelin summer tires.
Truck'ish? They look more like UHP tires than truck tires IMO. I personally like the tread pattern and what they look like on a wagon.
 
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I mean, if you are only getting 30k out of a tire...something is wrong...or just a super soft compound.
Not only getting, not getting anywhere near 30k miles - multiple cars, multiple tires, regular rotations and alignments, gentle use. I replace them a little early, at like 5mm, but still.
 
#40 ·
My 2023 OEM tires, Continental Premium Contact 6, were just ok and at almost exactly 30k were down to 3/32 in the rear tires. Tires had been rotated and were always properly inflated. The tires were underwhelming. On my 2020 V60 CC I replaced the original tires with Michelin CC2 and thought they were very good. I didn't want them on the 2023 and decided to try the DWS06. Too early to tell but I would be surprised if I get high mileage, 50k+ out of these or most choices for a car set up like our T8s. Between the weight and the car set as a sport wagon my choice of an UHP tire keeps my expectations in check for longevity. I hope I’m wrong but if they perform well for 30k+ I’ll be ok with that. YMMV
 
#41 ·
I am looking for advice on new all season tires for my V60 - 235/40/R19 . It came with Pirellis but the first set had one tire develop frequent flats and now one tire on the replacement set has excessive wear - the other 3 are fine as is vehicle alignment.

I really like the bridgestone blizzaks on my winter wheels (235/45/R18) and have Bridgestone's turanzas on our S60, but I'd like to consider options including Michelin's Pilot sports and Goodyear's Eagle line instead of just buying by brand name.

Advice? experience? comments?

FYI: winter weather here alternates deep cold (-30F is common) with chinoks (warm winds) that can bring the temp to the +40F range overnight). We get a mix of frequent skif snow (<1/2 inch) and occasional deep snow (>12") dumps with high winds and some freezing rain. For this, the blizzaks work very well. The all seasons need to work mostly in hot/dry conditions; in heavy rain/high wind storms; and in drizzle / sleet / small hail conditions.

p.s. My wife says (she's wrong, of course) that I generally drive too fast.
 
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@rudydehaas - it really comes down to what is important to you. Cost, tread life, ride quality, handling, noise, dry performance, wet performance, winter performance, etc…..You mention blizzaks, yet you are still talking about all-season tires? I mean I had no issues with the Pirelli P-Zero A/S that came on my V60…I had those on my Acura TL before the V60 and like them for basic all-season duties. They were not fantastic in snow/ice, but they worked well enough, rode quiet, tracked straight, and the price was nice. But this thread has already mentioned, the DWS06+ is generally a well regarded tire that can hold its own in most conditions. I mean, I would recommend the CC2 for you, but if you are already running Blizzaks for winter duty, there isn’t much point.
 
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Just thought I’d drop a short note of the first thousand miles I’ve had on these Continental DWS 06. My expectations have been exceeded in every way so far. No snow but rain and the overall handling in most situations have been stellar. Did a 250 mile road trip yesterday mostly highway but some back roads as well. Very quiet and I have good confidence in the overall road feel these tires exhibit. Good marriage of the Polestar drive selection and these tires. Thanks to all who described their experience and I think mine has been as you described. YMMV.
 
#46 ·
Well after Skimming through Here I'm Very Surprised ~ No Real Mention of just Going Under Size or -1 . . .

as One is able to Run a 215 or 225 and Go Up to 45 or 50 or 55 series from what Ever Size is Your Stock - Minus 1 . .
I Believe is Best Choice FIRST
Sec. Choice is Actual Type of Tire for Your Area - as Our Climate gets Way Less Snow then 25yrs ago ..
Third - If You Really Drive or Commute much for Job . . VS Retired - where You can just Sit Tight for 2 Days . . Go Out after 11am things Thawed !


Anyhow then It Becomes - HP & Mods vs Cost . . to Keep It Moving . . ( I Like CC ) Tires as to Lighter & Better Mpg . .
Do Not get as Hard Riding after 30K as Mich Tires . . , but I have Not Tried and Mich Tires in Last 9 years . .
 
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#48 ·
The tl;dr is that on SPA V60 PE's, there's no need.

That's because you cannot undersize the wheels on Polestar Engineered V60's. No 18" wheel can fit over the brakes. Volvo already downsized the wheels from the P3 cars to the smallest that would fit, and that actually gave us quite a variety of tires to choose from, as 235/40/19 is a fairly common size. There's around 100 options from all categories on Tirerack, no lack of choices there.