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Time to re-evalulate some postings in here...<p>When I first started paying attention to this forum about a year ago, it was great. A bunch of R enthusiasts talking about what they have enhanced/want to enhance on their respected car. And at the same time, finding some help with the R's quirks was also readily available. <p>Lately, I see a lot of comparison of the R to other cars, as if you are disappointed with your purchase. OK, so be it. I didn't think this forum was a place to "size up" or to complain.
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (phuz)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lately, I see a lot of comparison of the R to other cars, as if you are disappointed with your purchase. OK, so be it. I didn't think this forum was a place to "size up" or to complain.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Although I don't have an R yet, I frequent this forum to read up and get more info from R owners because I intend on upgrading to an R in the near future but I also get a sense that a few R owners may be disappointed with their decision in buying their Rs and maybe even regret purchasing it. I now have second thoughts about buying an R in the future from reading all these posts with members experiencing a lot of issues with their cars. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>It's been very tempting since I just received a letter from the volvo dealer where purchased my T5 stating that they would buy back my car above market value, regardless of condition, if I were to upgrade to a new model within the next 2 months.<p>
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (phuz)

Agreed. It is hard enough to keep up with all the posts as it is. A lot of these recent posts are more "Car Lounge" than "R" related. Good point Phuz.
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (blackTT55)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>blackTT55</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Although I don't have an R yet, I frequent this forum to read up and get more info from R owners because I intend on upgrading to an R in the near future but I also get a sense that a few R owners may be disappointed with their decision in buying their Rs and maybe even regret purchasing it. I now have second thoughts about buying an R in the future from reading all these posts with members experiencing a lot of issues with their cars. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>It's been very tempting since I just received a letter from the volvo dealer where purchased my T5 stating that they would buy back my car above market value, regardless of condition, if I were to upgrade to a new model within the next 2 months.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>This issue has been beaten to death, but I don't like the looks of that dead horse, so I'll give our friend some advice and beat it some more.<p>There are probably a couple of people on here who have "BMW" envy or whatever, and regret the decision of buying their R. I think that although you do here some people who are mad at their R, or hear people comparing it to a BMW or whatever, there are very few people who really regret their decision. <p>I think those people who do had different expectations vs. what the car actually was...ie were looking for those magic 0-60 times, looking for it to be an M3 beater, etc. And Volvo is somewhat to fault for that, for although the car is none of those things, it was portrayed as such.<p>However, if you have more realistic expectations I think you'll be happy. It won't have the handling or steering feel of a BMW. It's not going to out drag an M3 consistently (with mods, maybe). But it's cheaper, has better seats and interior, is 4 doors (or wagon), has AWD, etc. <p>If you like your T5, you'll love an R. My buddy has two T5's and he loves my R. I have to say that the R is a T5 with the volume turned up to 11, and without torque steer. If you really want a Bimmer and can't afford one, get a CPO Bimmer. <p>If you love the "Volvoness" of your T5, get the R. <br>
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>If you really want a Bimmer and can't afford one, get a CPO Bimmer. <p>If you love the "Volvoness" of your T5, get the R. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I actually have owned a bimmer in the past, 1987 325 IS 5 speed, and that thing was sweet, very quick during that era but as I got older I became attracted to Volvo and still would like to stick with them. I definitely still have the R in mind.<br>
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (phuz)

I like the comparo opinion threads. I've learned a lot about what people like/dislike about all sorts of cars from a car enthusiasts point of view. At the end of the day, I still like the R for my reasons. All the rest are just interesting opinions.
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (phuz)

I don't totally disagree, but don't you think that is better than a bunch of R owners patting each other on the back telling each other that their cars are the greatest, and no car can touch it? I do! At least we hear more than one angle in this forum, and though some folks are just out to knock the R, some just see things that the R lovers like myself might miss. Don't get me wrong, we could do without a lot of the R HATING that happens here, because some of it is just senseless, but on average, I am pretty pleased with the balance in the forum. Guys like Zigger will back the R to the death, where as guys like Johann are going to give the R a humility check at the door... both angles are important, I think, and I feel the forum is better like that.<p>just my 2 c's<p>-Mike
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (JOSBRO)

and thats all that im saying....<p>theres too much bashing on the R and too much talk of BMWs, audis, mitsubishis, etc.<p>
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (phuz)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">theres too much bashing on the R.......</TD></TR></TABLE><p>IMO, justified if it pertains to technical issues, support issues, or general dealer ineptness.<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and too much talk of BMWs, audis, mitsubishis, etc.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Most definitely in agreement with this statement.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">theres too much bashing on the R and too much talk of BMWs, audis, mitsubishis, etc.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>This also happens on the Bimmer forums. I recently visited one Bimmer site and came across a discussion on the S60R where one of their member was asking if the R was a threat to their M3s.<p>Guess what the replies were? They literally laughed at his post and one member stated "How can a Ford be a threat to our M Power". <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (blackTT55)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>blackTT55</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>"How can a Ford be a threat to our M Power". <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>A highly amusing statement considering most M owner (and R owners for that matter) don't really know how to properly utilize the vaunted "M power". Many people who frequent car forums (myself included) would seriously benefit from a bit of track education before we go describing the strengths/weaknesses of any car.
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (blackTT55)

not sure why the frown man....im secure with my purchase, aren't you?<br>if i wanted the coupled power and handling of an M3, i WOULD HAVE bought an M3.<p>but no, i wanted something a little more well-rounded, as i suspect some other R owners did
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (phuz)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not sure why the frown man....im secure with my purchase, aren't you?<br>if i wanted the coupled power and handling of an M3, i WOULD HAVE bought an M3.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>I forgot to mention that there were a few compliments on the R from some of their members. I think one said he was amazed that a 2.5 liter 5 can make 300 hp. Another was impressed to discover it is an AWD. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (blackTT55)

To R owners who consider what others think of their car:<p>Why does ANYONE care what a pack of BMW owners think about a Volvo R?<p>The only opinion that matters about your vehicle is yours. If you bought it to impress others, then you bought the wrong car. And you'll always be buying the wrong car.<p>If I wanted a sore rear end every time I traveled any significant distance, I'd have bought an M too. And I'm sure all the M boys could care less about my opinion. <p>Just why did you buy YOUR R in the first place? Is it performing as you expected it to when you signed the papers? There's the real assessment of this vehicle. <p>Please, stop being so insecure over what others think. That's why we have red 'vettes and Vipers. <br>
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (sgmlaw)

reminds me of that VW "low ego emissions" commericial<p>"because daddy never hugged me..."<br>"im compensating for my shortcomings..."<p>hahaha <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (phuz)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">reminds me of that VW "low ego emissions" commericial<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I live near a guy with a yellow Viper just like the one used in that commercial. I chuckle every time I see him cruising around town. His "fools no one" comb-over always wofts above the roofline while he's driving. LOL ... as long as <I>HE</I> thinks he looks good in that car.<p>I don't know if it's the age of my R (two years old now) or this forum, but I'm less and less excited about my car. You might be right about the R-bashing comparisons, but I think it's that I now see my car as a commoner rather than an exclusive model. It's a really good car, not an amazing car. That said, I am still happy with my purchase.<p>- Tryg
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DocG</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like the comparo opinion threads. I've learned a lot about what people like/dislike about all sorts of cars from a car enthusiasts point of view. At the end of the day, I still like the R for my reasons. All the rest are just interesting opinions.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>And if I think their opinion is lame or not well thought out I don't have to read it.<p>But really, after 3 years of talking about this car and very little lately in the way of new upgrades, mods, to discuss, often the posts are reduced to someone venting about this or that wrong with his car, perhaps the occassional plea for help or comparing cars. <p>In 47 years I have had lots of nice cars and found something to love in all of them. Hell, if I had lots of extra cash and a 30 car garage, guess how many cars I would have <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> And I would be happy to discuss the merits of each one without trying to dis the others, just because I love to drive cars <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Jim
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (surfsd)

<A HREF="http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=369738" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.e46fanatics.com/s...69738</A>
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (mike_c70)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mike_c70</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=369738" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.e46fanatics.com/s...69738</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>So Zigger's friend put him on the BMW forum? I didn't see where his friend mentioned that "destroy" word that we keep hearing about. I would guess that the reception would not have been as kind. <p>I did find this quote particularly telling:<p><I>"Anyways he wanted a M3 so badly but has a fammily and like u said above he hates Audis..so he opted for this."</I><p>BTW.....he still pines for that M3 as we all know.
 

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Re: This is the "R Forum" & NOTHING else (mike_c70)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mike_c70</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=369738" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.e46fanatics.com/s...69738</A></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Now why did you go and pollute my mind with that? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>This one is hilarious BTW:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>theyouthahead</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i like the color but not the car and it can be fast as hell but id get 10x more girls with my 330ci</TD></TR></TABLE>
 
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