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Anyone have any comments on the new 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid, i'm seriously considering trading my S60 in for one. All the reviews online i've read so far lead me to believe it's a good car but that seems to be the case with reviews on all honda cars.
 

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Re: Thinking about trading the S60 in..... (Maynard)

My father has a fleet of civic hybrids for his business and my mother's daily driver is an s60. I have driven them almost back to back and can tell you that they are a completely different class of car. The civcs aren't bad; the mpg and "helping the earth" feeling are great, but there is a huge difference as far as the way the two cars feel. the civic feels like an econo-car versus the much more substantive and luxurious feel of the S60 (or even my 855)
 

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Re: Thinking about trading the S60 in..... (Maynard)

What is the reason you are considering this? If economics are primary issue, you will have to drive a huge amount to make up for the bath you'll take trading in you S60 and to make up for the higher cost hybrid engine (relative to standard internal combustion). Your NA S60 should be getting you decent mileage already. Every time one of our co-workers talks about trading a car in for a hybrid <B>purely for economic reasons</B>, we do the math for them - people are usually surprised at the LONG payback time - even with the price of gas today. Of course, there are no numbers that can account for a persons desire to do their part to cut down fuel consumption because it is the right thing to do - if that is your motivation, go for it.
 

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Re: Thinking about trading the S60 in..... (samulsoon_0503)

I suppose my main reason is the economic reason, however, can you really do the math on the payback? Gas is going to keep going up and who really knows what kind of leaps and bounds it will go up by these days. Gas won't get any cheaper and right now there is no "real" alternative fuel. My NA gets about 31mpg highway about 24 city around there anyways. Additionally, if gas continues to go up like it looks it will a hybrid car should have an increase in resale value like that of harley motorcycles but for different reasons obviously. Maybe my logic is flawed on this, I am just curious, hence my post.
 

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Re: Thinking about trading the S60 in..... (Maynard)

There was much written a few months back about how hybrids were in general not getting the advertised mileage and were missing by a lot. I also think the payback for the technology is long as well. This will of course shorten as the technology becomes more common and thus the cost to upgrade to a hybrid is less.<p>My real concern with hybrid technology is that it is relatively new technology and I would be concerned about repair costs down the road. That would make the payback time even longer or take away any benefit whatsoever.
 

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Re: Thinking about trading the S60 in..... (Maynard)

Nothing flawed in your logic - certainly makes sense. Of course, any time you consider payback you have to make some assumptions about future cost of gas. But even with todays prices, there is a lot of driving involved before you can realize a payback - and we don't include any extra maintenance of the electric components because we have no clue what that involves regarding price or frequency. My NA S60 gets nearly identical numbers you quoted, which makes me pretty happy about it as a daily commuter. But you are right, seems like the demand for hybrids is going up. I don't know if this is a short term emotional response or a real, sustained shift towards smaller more fuel efficient transportation in US. Time will tell...
 

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Re: Thinking about trading the S60 in..... (samulsoon_0503)

I would expect Volvo repair service and the repair service on a hybrid car to be about the same <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Thinking about trading the S60 in..... (samulsoon_0503)

Before I bought my S60 T5, I was also considering going for a hybrid or japanese but after some careful considerations, I decided to go with this car and have no regrets. Saving 10 bucks or so a day for ride quality trade off wasn't worth it for me. Believe me I drive 120 miles round trip a day to work so I do feel the pain of gas increases but still happy I went with the S60. I have not looked back or thought twice about that decision since.
 

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Re: Thinking about trading the S60 in..... (blackTT55)

I actually like the ride quality of my girlfriend's 626 quite a bit. It's very confident over potholes, even better than the S80 personally. While most Japanese cars don't have much soul, Mazda at least tries. Nissan and Mazda are decent about it. I don't see anything so special about the Volvo honestly, especially with the prices new. True, when you push the cars hard, the 626 will flounder, but let's be honest, how often do you get that opportunity? Japan makes great appliances and some of them do have some soul. You can't beat their quality and price. Plus they are just as safe as most Volvos.
 

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Re: Thinking about trading the S60 in..... (Majisto)

Does volvo have any plans for a hybrid? They are very environmentally sound cars...so I would think it would be a logical step for them to take.
 

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Re: Thinking about trading the S60 in..... (soledoc)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>soledoc</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does volvo have any plans for a hybrid? They are very environmentally sound cars...so I would think it would be a logical step for them to take.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree, and I believe they'll certainly be at the forefront of developing alternative fuel vehicles (Biodiesel, E85, etc.). With gas at $3.36/gal here in Bham for 92 octane, I will be extremely interested in any reasonable option other than supporting Iran's uranium enrichment program... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Thinking about trading the S60 in..... (darylkaiser30)

At least bring over the flex-fuel motors I remember the S40 having in Europe, and the D5. I'm not totally convinced on hybrids personally. I would buy a base Civic with a standard shift and be happy with the simplicity. I got 35 MPG in my Contour auto. Hybrids really don't get that much better in real world, and I won't have to worry about the extra complexity.
 

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Re: Thinking about trading the S60 in..... (Majisto)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Majisto</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">At least bring over the flex-fuel motors I remember the S40 having in Europe, and the D5. I'm not totally convinced on hybrids personally. I would buy a base Civic with a standard shift and be happy with the simplicity. I got 35 MPG in my Contour auto. Hybrids really don't get that much better in real world, and I won't have to worry about the extra complexity.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Indeed. A D5 is definitely on my want list right now, and as soon as gas hits $5/gal while biodiesel is still $3/gal I'll get one. Performance wise, they are on par with many gas engines anyway. As long as fat Americans keep eating greasy fried fast food, we should have ample amounts of fuel resrves to keep our beloved Volvos on the road and track! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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FYI- GM, Daihmler, and ford have created an alliance and are producing their own hybrids that are SIGNIFICANTLY more effecient than the asian companies.<p><br>"When compared to conventional hybrid systems, this avant-garde hybrid technology, relying on both the ECVT modes and the four fixed gear ratios, provides advantages in combined (city and highway) fuel economy, dynamics and towing capability.<p>Traditional hybrid systems typically have only one torque-splitting arrangement and no fixed mechanical ratios. These systems are often called “one-mode” hybrids. Due to their less capable mechanical content, one-mode hybrids need to transmit a significant amount of power through an electrical path that is 20 percent less efficient than a mechanical path. This requires usually substantial compromise in vehicle capability or reliance on larger electrical motors, which can create cost, weight and packaging issues.<p>General Motors, DaimlerChrysler and the BMW Group have conceived a full hybrid system featuring four fixed mechanical ratios, within the two ECVT modes, to reduce power transmission through the less efficient electrical path. Consequently, the electric motors are more compact and less dependent on engine size."<p><A HREF="http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/04/27/005036.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.theautochannel.com/....html</A>
 
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