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I started a thread in the XC 70 and S80 (<2007) about the adventure involved in looking for a second Volvo to replace a dearly loved 1995 Olds Aurora and complement a 2004 XC70. In the first thread I received helpful comments primarily from gascos80. He gave me some good logic to add an S80 verses looking for another XC70.<p>Well, yesterday and today we traveled the great Northwest checking out what several dealers had in stock. I also checked the OSD program to see if there were any 2009 S80's left. No luck on that score; we had missed the boat so to speak. What I did find, however, is that there are a few dealers searching the used market for low-mileage 2006/07/08 S80's. I drove and in fact bid on a 2006 with a 2.5T. No cigar on that on (and I'm thankful). This morning we tried a 2008 nicely equipped, (but no Bluetooth, Adaptive Cruise or BLIS) that had 13,800. The dealer was very helpful (Jim Fischer-Portland, OR) and a couple hours after lunch we drove away without the Olds and with the "new, just broken in) S80.<p>One hundred and sixty miles later after having driven from Portland at 79' elevation to Bend at 3500' elevation going by Mount Hood's snowy peak on the way we found (by the trip computer) that we had averaged 25.8 miles/gal on regular gas. We had averaged 29.9miles/gal in the eight cylinder Olds on the way down "the hill." <p> The Volvo is 18" shorter than the Olds and has as good leg room as the Olds in the rear seats. The trunk is bigger and the ride seems softer-not sure if that translates to better yet. We know after a few more trips.<p>The car was just serviced and has had "well" oil since new. I plan to put about three thousand miles on it and then go to synthetic with a 5000 mile change cycle. Does that seem ok? This car will get more road miles than city, but it's my wife's and she does a lot of stop and go city miles. <p>We're very pleased with the deal although my wife initially missed the Olds which had been her car for 12 years. Now, (by the time we got home), she's as pleased as can be. A happy anniversary present (52 years). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: There's a new (well, just broken-in) S80 in the family (ORGramps)

Congratulations, and welcome to the happy S80 owner's family.<p>Changing oil every 5K will be plenty. I kept mine till 150K (it did die prematurely in accident), changed oil as per factory intervals of 7500 miles and had absolutely no issues with the engine. The car was running like new till the end.<p>Many will disagree with me, but I do not see any value in changing the oil more frequently than the factory recommended intervals.
 

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Re: There's a new (well, just broken-in) S80 in the family (ORGramps)

First of all, Congratulations on the new S80 and welcome!!! Modern oils have a significantly longer service duty cycle than oils of even 10 years ago. There is certainly nothing wrong with changing to synthetic, however, there is likely not going to be much benefit if you are going to change your oil every 5000 mi. over regular "dino" oil. If it makes you feel better, then by all means go for it. Mechanically, the standard non-synthetic should be more than adequate for the recommended intervals. BTW, I always like the Aurora. I think it was the one of the best products GM ever built. The down-sized Northstar V-8 was a real gem.
 

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Re: There's a new (well, just broken-in) S80 in the family (ORGramps)

What engine did you get? V8, 3.2, T6?<p>As far as oil and changes - I found that the engine rev'd a bit more easily using Pennzoil Full Synthetic compared to the dino/synth blend that the dealers use. That could be entirely just my perception, but I felt better using full synthetic.<p>I'm sticking to 7,000 intervals using the synthetic, but if I were using dino, I would push that down a bit to 5,000 miles, or maybe even less.<p>The thing is, at roughly 8.25 quarts per change, oil changes can get relatively expensive. And it takes a bit of time to do yourself (remove skid plate, get the filter cover out, pouring in all the oil, etc.)<p>But congrats on the new car! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: There's a new (vivek9856)

Thanks for all the encouraging and constructive comments. <p>I forgot to mention that the engine is a 3.2 which of course means that the car is a FWD. We opted for that model verses the AWD model (even in our climate where there are many who use studded snow tires in the winter) for several reasons. 1. We have found that the Aurora (FWD) with four studded snows handled the roads like a tank, 2. The FWD is less complex-less maintenance, and 3. slightly better gas mileage. In addition, we do have the XC70 if the weather is so bad that AWD is needed.<p>With regard to the oil, I do follow a 7500 mile/change cycle with the XC70 and at 100,000 miles everything is fine. With the larger sump on the S80 (I forgot about that!) it sounds like I should reconsider staying with that length cycle.<p>The car has 17" wheels with Continental Contiprocontact (that appear to be the originals). They are wearing evenly. As with other new car tires, should I expect to get about 35,000 miles before replacement? We have had Continental tires on cars in the past and found them to be good value. My impression is that this generation Continentals are excellent. My experience has also been very good with Michelins, so might consider them when replacement is necessary. <p>In preparation for the winter I'll need to get another set of rims and four studded snows.<p>I have Nokian All-weather Plus for the XC70-been happy with those. However, the dealer put me in Cooper snow/studded tires and that was not a good decision. I have one tire that is missing about one-third of the metal studs after just two winter seasons. One other has also lost a lot. There is plenty of rubber left on those tires. The dealer says he will set things straight.<p>When we test drove the car, I took it on a fairly bumpy paved road. On one bump it seemed to me that the rear-end on the drivers side bottomed out. However, when out-side the car I did the "push down" test on both sides of the rear-end and they are firm. The deal's people then took the car out and have advised me that there is a broken bracket in the driver's seat. They have it on order and will replace it when we return to Portland next week.<p>Our experience with the car so far is that although it is not a powerhouse sportster, it does move out fast enough for us even at high altitude. Nevertheless, I plan to talk with IPD about mods we might make . Perhaps at least replace the air-filter and see if that will give us some improvement in mileage. <p>Again, thanks for all the comments. It's exciting to have a new "colt" in the barn so to speak and yet make life a little simpler at the same time. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: There's a new (ORGramps)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ORGramps</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>With regard to the oil, I do follow a 7500 mile/change cycle with the XC70 and at 100,000 miles everything is fine. With the larger sump on the S80 (I forgot about that!) it sounds like I should reconsider staying with that length cycle.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think on dino oil, you may be stretching it to 7,500 miles. I know that after only 4K miles or so after my second change (Had it changed at 7,500 the first time around for free at the dealer), the oil was completely dark black. I feel fine running 7,500 on synthetic, but on regular dino, you may be pushing it.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ORGramps</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The car has 17" wheels with Continental Contiprocontact (that appear to be the originals). They are wearing evenly. As with other new car tires, should I expect to get about 35,000 miles before replacement? We have had Continental tires on cars in the past and found them to be good value. My impression is that this generation Continentals are excellent. My experience has also been very good with Michelins, so might consider them when replacement is necessary. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Since you don't have the Zubras, I'm assuming that means you didn't get the sport package? You would have really enjoyed the throttle remapping of the 4C as well as the stiffened ride. I think it definitely gives the 3.2 a sporty feeling and gets rid of the fat/sluggish/floaty feeling that the car can sometimes have in comfort mode. Maybe you should consider getting some stiffer lowering springs (again - that is if you don't have the sport pack).<p>As far as tires - my car came with Pirelli Rossos. I have the 18" Zubras, and these tires get sidewall bubbles very easily. I had to change out my two rears around 10K because of bubbles, and my original front Rossos are nearing baldness at only around 17K miles. When I replaced the rears, I put Michelin Pilot Sport All Seasons on, and those are excellent tires. The tires aren't as smooth riding as the Pirelli's (thats because the Pirelli's were summer tires, and the Michelins are AS with a more aggressive tread), but during rainy weather, my fronts always break loose on fast turns, but the rears stick to the road like glue - I love them! They are a tad bit on the expensive side though - thats something to consider.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ORGramps</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>When we test drove the car, I took it on a fairly bumpy paved road. On one bump it seemed to me that the rear-end on the drivers side bottomed out. However, when out-side the car I did the "push down" test on both sides of the rear-end and they are firm. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yup. I have 4C, and when I hit a pothole going more than 10 mph, WHAM! When in advanced mode, you sometimes wonder if you got internal injuries. Also, my rear shocks sometimes have a mushy sound coming from them when they compress.<br>
 

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Re: There's a new (vivek9856)

Thanks for the comments.<br>Responses follow.<br>1. I do use Mobil 1 in the XC70, so a 7500 mile change cycle is no problem.<br>2. The car does not have the sports package, so I may have to make some changes in the suspension. It turns out the dealer has acquired a 2007 with the sports package. It will arrive the end of this week. Perhaps we should have waited.<br>3. We'll probably stay with the 17" wheels and go to the Michelins.<br>4. Yes, I have had Pirellis in the past and will not have those again.<br>
 

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Re: There's a new (ORGramps)

In my opinion, if you stretch the oil change interval to 7500 miles, you could be taking a bit of a risk as different engines wear oil at different rates. Within the past year, I've started getting my used oil tested to figure out how far I can go between oil changes. On our XC90 with the 3.2L engine, I'm up to 7000 miles between changes using Shell Rotella T 5W-40 synthetic oil. On the other hand, the Castrol Syntec 5W-30 that I ran in my '05 Jeep Liberty V6 was pretty much shot at 5000 miles according to the tests. If you want to read more on this topic, check out bobistheoilguy.com.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>arporro</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On our XC90 with the 3.2L engine, I'm up to 7000 miles between changes using Shell Rotella T 5W-40 synthetic oil. On the other hand, the Castrol Syntec 5W-30 that I ran in my '05 Jeep Liberty V6 was pretty much shot at 5000 miles according to the tests. If you want to read more on this topic, check out bobistheoilguy.com.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>But using synthetic and the S80's huge sump size, I think 7,000 miles should be fine.
 

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It took me many years to get away from changing the oil every 3000 mi. Still get the occasional guilt twinge. Modern engines and oils are far different than they once were. With my motorcycle, I had a test done on the oil for the first few oil changes. My bike calls for almost 8K for oil changes. I figured in the high-sheer environment that the oil would be shot long before then. To my surprise, even after 5K the oil was still very good. I think that sticking to the manufacturer's recommendation is certainly safe to do. Of course, there is nothing wrong with changing your oil more often, but, to say there are risks in sticking to the manufacturer's recommendation may a bit excessive. It used to be that manufacturer's recommended synthetics for turbo applications to prevent coking in the turbo. Today's modern regular oils resist coking so well that they are fine to use in turbo applications, hence even Volvo uses plain old dino-oil even in the T series engines.
 

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Re: There's a new (ImInPA)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ImInPA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It took me many years to get away from changing the oil every 3000 mi. Still get the occasional guilt twinge. Modern engines and oils are far different than they once were. With my motorcycle, I had a test done on the oil for the first few oil changes. My bike calls for almost 8K for oil changes. I figured in the high-sheer environment that the oil would be shot long before then. To my surprise, even after 5K the oil was still very good. I think that sticking to the manufacturer's recommendation is certainly safe to do. Of course, there is nothing wrong with changing your oil more often, but, to say there are risks in sticking to the manufacturer's recommendation may a bit excessive. It used to be that manufacturer's recommended synthetics for turbo applications to prevent coking in the turbo. Today's modern regular oils resist coking so well that they are fine to use in turbo applications, hence even Volvo uses plain old dino-oil even in the T series engines.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>In my own car (see sig), I changed the original factory fill at 1,200 miles, then flushed again at 3,500 miles and started with a full synthetic at 7,500 miles. I have been changing the oil RELIGIOUSLY (with full synthetic) every 7,500 miles and, todate, I have had no problems with 113,500 on the clock.
 
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