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<B>The Ultimate Comparison!</B><BR> <BR>These two cars are going to make a great comparison. The new S60R versus the new Audi S4. They match up against one another amazingly well on paper, but it could be a different story on the road. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P><B>Volvo S60R</B><BR>2.5 Liter Turbo I5 <BR>300hp/295lb.ft<BR>6-Speed Manual Transmission<BR>Haldex AWD<BR>0-62 MPH 5.8 Seconds<BR>Top Speed 250 km/h<BR>Öhlins Racing AB Active Chassis System<BR>Four-Piston Brembo Brakes<P><B>Audi S4</B><BR>4.2 Liter N/A V8<BR>343 hp/302lb.ft<BR>6-Speed Manual Transmission<BR>Quattro AWD<BR>0-62 MPH 5.6 Seconds<BR>Top Speed 250 km/h<BR>Lightweight Aluminium Suspension<P><B>S60R Front</B><BR> <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/resources/gallery/cars/00_s60/s60_r/large/03.jpg"> <P><B>S4 Front</B><BR> <IMG SRC="http://www.audiworld.com/news/02/new_s4/sedan_1.jpg"> <P><B>S60R Side</B><BR> <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/resources/gallery/cars/00_s60/s60_r/large/01.jpg"> <P><B>S4 Side</B><BR> <IMG SRC="http://www.audiworld.com/news/02/new_s4/sedan_2.jpg"> <P><B>S60R Interior</B><BR> <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/resources/gallery/cars/00_s60/s60_r/large/07.jpg"> <P><B>S4 Interior</B><BR> <IMG SRC="http://www.audiworld.com/news/02/new_s4/interior.jpg"> <P>-Drew<BR>
 

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Yeah, we might have to scheudule those out at the same time, maybe along with a manual Passat W8 (if they put one in the pool) and take them out to VIR or Summit for some testing. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif">
 

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Well, the S60R looks more of an agressive S60 where as the S4 looks like a normal A4. I do like the S4 interior a little bit more, probably because I currently own a 99 Passat and it's a similar layout. But those blue gauges in the S60R are so beautiful! <P>But I am looking at purchasing the new V70R when it comes out.... Love the Volvo much more than an A4/S4.<P>btw, they are coming out with a 6-speed in the W8 for next year. It'll be part of their "sport package".<P>Ron<p>[This message has been edited by B518T (edited 09-17-2002).]
 

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Can't wait until both of these cars come out to see how the rubber hits the road.<P>I think that the understated look works for both of these cars. The big-azz wing and flares market is not what either of these brands is chasing anyway. Plus there is nothing like putting the stealth smackdown on some some unsuspecting fool in a lesser car.
 

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Looks like Audi continues to slightly outpower the Volvo, the motor is definately a plus for the Audi. Audi has also traditionally had better AWD systems too, but we'll see how the Haldex works out.<br>Man, the S60 sure is a great looking design, makes the Audi look blah.<br>I like the Audi steering wheel better as far as interior but I would definately take the S60 home with me out of the two. Looking forward to buying a used one in a few years.<BR><BR>
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Volvo looks really nice!<p>however is the Volvo's AWD 95% front 5% rear until wheel spin?<p>if that is true the Audi should drive much better...
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Volvo looks really nice!<p>however is the Volvo's AWD 95% front 5% rear until wheel spin?<p>if that is true the Audi should drive much better...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Not true,<p>The Haldex is far more advanced compared to the aging Quattro system.<br>It can shift up to 70% to the rear axle depending on what Volvo wants the system to do.<br>Haldex reacts much faster and has less drag when there is no "grip" condition and only the front wheels are needed.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.kalach.easynet.be/s60r_v70r.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>(Thanks Zizou)<br>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Volvo looks really nice!<p>however is the Volvo's AWD 95% front 5% rear until wheel spin?<p>if that is true the Audi should drive much better...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>The Haldex website states that when maximum throttle is applied from a standing start, sensors automatically change the distribution from 95/5 to 50/50, so it is pretty a pretty sweet system indeed!<p>-Drew
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR><IMG SRC="http://www.kalach.easynet.be/s60r_v70r.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>(Thanks Zizou)<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>:drool: Gimmie that V70R wagon now! It's so beautiful in that color!<p>I knew there had to be a reason I'm considering the Haldex over the Quattro reason :grin:<p>Ron<BR><BR>
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If thats true than its all sounds good...<p>but I never understood the concept behind this AWD system, if you have driven the newer RWD cars you know how much better steering feel is in those compare to FWD cars.<p>hope this system isn't late at changing this power distribution ratio like the other AWD volvos...
 

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Would it be possible to make the car drive with a 50/50 power distribution all the time with programming changes? That could be interesting, maybe a bit worse on gas though. That would give a good launch at the strip! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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You know, when Audi first launched the TT quattro, I remember this old NY journalist hassling the crap out of them at the NY Auto Show about when they'd be putting Haldex in the Torsen cars (all the longitudinally mounted cars, pretty much A4 and above). <p>Quattro or Torsen (it's a Torsen differential) is race proven and is a pretty amazing system. As far as mechanical systems go, it's probably the best one going. Torsen BTW is AWD all the time..... so driving down the road it's a 50/50 split).<p>The real strength to Haldex is its programability. Supposedly, software could control the split. Driving FWD unless there's spin probably helps fuel mileage. Plus, it's much quicker than the old Viscous Coupling and slightly quciker also than Torsen to react.<p>I know a VW tuner in FL who is putting a Haldex system in a custom built Jetta Coupe he has built. He's planning on playing with the software. If he gets anywhere with it, I wil definitely be posting about it.<p>I still think Torsen demands its share of respect. It's a pretty amazing system.
 

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How the hell can you not like/respect S4's??<p>the new one is a bit goofy, and the US will get jacked for clears/recaros/bumper. But the B5 S4 is one of my favorite cars ever, what other car can run 12.9 with a race chip and cat back???<p>Maybe you've just been beaten a few times too many.
 

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Doesn't the S60R have a computer system that communicates with the wheel like 50 times per second?! The car understands the suspension input, braking, and rate of speed?! It sure must have brilliant handling with that much information running through the CPU. It seems it is a cut above most modern vehicles released to the general public. Any safety doubts (combined with performance in mind) will be removed by this flagship Volvo. Volvo is truely a leader in automotive engineering. This car is the ruler of the luxury/sport automotive kingdom! <br>I bet the new Haldex is wonderful in conjunction with a superb peice of automotive brilliance.
 

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I don't think the S60R can get much chunkier than the Audi. The S4 is reported at 3659 lb. for the sedan. I've seens weights for an S60 AWD at around 3146. I can't imagine an S60R with a manual will be too much heavier. The new S4 sedan is heavier than the current V70 AWD by a few pounds!<p>/A
 

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Well then my question would be: how is it that the S60R is just as fast/slower than the current S4 with an appx. 400-450 pound and 50hp advantage? Especially seeing that it is also capable of AWD launches.
 

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Those specs are from <A HREF="http://www.audiworld.com/news/02/new_s4" TARGET="_blank">http://www.audiworld.com/news/02/new_s4</a>/<p>This would be the new S4 that is debuting at the 2002 Paris Motor show. This is not the specs for the current S2 which has a bi-turbo V6.<p>S4 sedan weighs: 1660kg<br>S4 Avant weights: 1720kg<p>Ron
 
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