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So, I "need" to buy a new car. I have driven an S60 from the end of 2000. I like the car, and it's hard to find a sedan that is nicer and faster for under $40k. Actually, changing to another sedan does not seem that smart anyway, why wouldn't I keep the old car instead and save the money. <p>So that means I should buy a wagon or a sports car. V70R is has both qualities, and it's fairly cheap too at the moment. But it looks and feels very similar to my old car, so where's that new car feeling?<p>I am done with FWD, the next one is going to be an RWD or AWD.<p>I can get Infiniti, all GM, and Chrysler for invoice through my employer, so that's something to consider too. I could really use a Vette... But having the utility of a wagon is something I have been missing. Vette has utility only for getting tickets...<p>So, what would it take to get me excited about the V70R?<br>
 

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Re: Talk me into buying a V70R (Mika)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mika</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So, I "need" to buy a new car. I have driven an S60 from the end of 2000. I like the car, and it's hard to find a sedan that is nicer and faster for under $40k. Actually, changing to another sedan does not seem that smart anyway, why wouldn't I keep the old car instead and save the money. <p>So that means I should buy a wagon or a sports car. V70R is has both qualities, and it's fairly cheap too at the moment. But it looks and feels very similar to my old car, so where's that new car feeling?<p>I am done with FWD, the next one is going to be an RWD or AWD.<p>I can get Infiniti, all GM, and Chrysler for invoice through my employer, so that's something to consider too. I could really use a Vette... But having the utility of a wagon is something I have been missing. Vette has utility only for getting tickets...<p>So, what would it take to get me excited about the V70R?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Having a 300 HP wagon? <p>Seriously, this is definitely a decision to make for yourself. Sounds like you are kind of confused as to what you want? Do you need the utility of a wagon? Personally I think the wagon has an extra cool factor over the sedan. Personally, I would discount the GM and Chrysler offerings. There's not much there that I would want at all. I do think the 2007 G35 sedan is sweet, as is the coupe, and the M is really nice as well. <p>However, I will offer a couple of points, and I'm sure others will as well. <p>1) Stealth speed. Awesome factor. <br>2) 6 Spd Manual Transmission 300HP 155MPH Wagon. For 40k or so.<br>3) BIG difference between a 2000/2001 S60. I had one of those as a loner a couple of weeks ago. MAJOR differnce in everything...interior, radio, fit / finish, seats, etc. My friend also has two recent S60 2.5T's, and they are not quite as nice despite being well spec'd out.<br>4) Nothing beats the blue gauges. <br>5) As much room as an "average" Grand Cherokee or Trail Blazer. Little less than an Explorer. <br>6) Handles sweet.<br>7) Can be made sweeter by ECU, Spring, Bar, etc. mods. <br>8) Sonic Blue!<br>9) Atacama!<br>10) Good deals to be had now. <p>Bummers:<p>1) Some feel 4C not all it's cracked up to be.<br>2) Stock tires useless in snow and only last 10k - 15k miles.<br>3) Dealers not modification friendly. <br>4) Not up to date in gadgets and gizmos. <br>5) Small niggly problems that can be cured, but are still there. <br>6) R-Ignorant dealers. <p>Like I said, it's YOUR decision, we can't tell you what you want. But a VR is a pretty friggin cool car. Look at some of the ones in the gallery and see what you think. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Needsdecaf makes some excellent points for the V70R.<p>If you're willing to sacrafice a few amenities for brute force (in a wagon of course), then might I suggest the SRT-8 Magnum? I know its a Dodge (Hey I like them....I've had two Dodge that were excellent to me) and its VERY different in lots of things by comparison to the Volvo but its got one helluva engine in it and its RWD. <p>Just a suggestion (puts flame suit on just in case)
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tekk</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Needsdecaf makes some excellent points for the V70R.<p>If you're willing to sacrafice a few amenities for brute force (in a wagon of course), then might I suggest the SRT-8 Magnum? I know its a Dodge (Hey I like them....I've had two Dodge that were excellent to me) and its VERY different in lots of things by comparison to the Volvo but its got one helluva engine in it and its RWD. <p>Just a suggestion (puts flame suit on just in case)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The magnum SRT-8 is an awesome car if you're looking for a lead sled that has so-so handling and massive speed. <p>If you're looking for a nice interior, go elsewhere. Especially if you don't like feeling like you're looking out a bunker when you're driving.
 

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Yeah the fact that there aren't a whole lot of manual transmission sport wagons of this caliber (AWD, 300 hp or up) is a very good reason. And it's got the (IMHO) best seats in the business. And IMHO this is one of the best performance wagon deals out there, for the combination of features it offers. <p>I'm not even sure if BMW will offer the 306hp turbo (335i) engine in the 3 series wagon. Right now the 5 series wagon can be had in manual, but they only offer the inline-6. <p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>orientblue3</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not even sure if BMW will offer the 306hp turbo (335i) engine in the 3 series wagon. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Considering that they don't offer the 330 now, doubtful that you will see anything other than a 328 next year.
 

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Both needsdecaf and tekk have excellent points, the best one being that you seem to need to think about what you really want. You've given a series of body styles (sedan, wagon, vette) and a number of different makes, each different from the other.<p>I own a v70R and love it. I do like the sleeper aspect of it, but, more than anything, the reality is that I often enough need that space for hauling or vacationing or what have you. The R gives me that utility without really sacrificing the experience. Plus, I have a family with a little one and another one in the planning stage so the safety reputation is important to me. Add to it that TN gets more ice than snow, and the awd becomes a more of a need-to-have than a nice-to-have. And of course there is the well finished interior, the better than suv mileage (especially with the manual), a great sound system, and the clean exterior styling. It is not the perfrect car, but it is a perfect car for me.<p>Good luck on your decision.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pktojd</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">. And of course there is the well finished interior, the better than suv mileage (especially with the manual), a great sound system, and the clean exterior styling. <B>It is not the perfect car, but it is a perfect car for me.</B><p>.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>That about sums it up
 

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Re: Talk me into buying a V70R (Mika)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mika</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So, I "need" to buy a new car. I have driven an S60 from the end of 2000. I like the car, and it's hard to find a sedan that is nicer and faster for under $40k. Actually, changing to another sedan does not seem that smart anyway, why wouldn't I keep the old car instead and save the money. <p>So that means I should buy a wagon or a sports car. V70R is has both qualities, and it's fairly cheap too at the moment. But it looks and feels very similar to my old car, so where's that new car feeling?<p>I am done with FWD, the next one is going to be an RWD or AWD.<p>I can get Infiniti, all GM, and Chrysler for invoice through my employer, so that's something to consider too. I could really use a Vette... But having the utility of a wagon is something I have been missing. Vette has utility only for getting tickets...<p>So, what would it take to get me excited about the V70R?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>How about this...................<p><IMG SRC="http://www.ipdusa.com/images/v70_road_trip/V70-031.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>
 

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Seats.<p>Nuff said.
 

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Re: Talk me into buying a V70R (Mika)

Thanks for all your encouragements.<p>Still, I already got most of the R properties that I care about in my good ol' T5, except the trunk space and AWD. It's at least as fast as a stock R (so I'd need to tune the R also to make faster), it's updated with painted moldings and headlights so it looks new. <p>But I kind of like the statement a Volvo makes on the road, and there's nothing else comparable coming anytime soon from Sweden, so this is a no brainer, huh?<p>JRL, what should I expect when trading in a 40kmi '01 S60T5? It's not mint, but let's say fair. Way under $10k?
 

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I agree the interior comfort (you have to test drive one to know how comfortable these seats are) and quality are amongst my favorite attributes.<p>One other--unexpected attribute--I just got back from a trip where I averaged 27 mpg on the highway (72-75 mph). Not many other 300 hp cars/wagons can do that--and even more impressive if you consider 300hp AWD vehicles. What does the S4 Avant get on the highway--17/18mpg? The V70R is great for highway cruising or for more sporty driving (although lets face it is never going to make you stop dreaming about vettes, porsches, ect.).
 

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Re: Talk me into buying a V70R (Mika)

Well just remember what image you want to convey and how your car reflects your image.<p>If you're a good professional who needs to tote customers around or entertain clients, ect...the R IMHO is the best way to fly. It is comfortable yet humble when compared to the MBs and BMWs out there. (Sticker price is what I'm aiming at here...not performance) So there generally are fewer comments about your status when you drive the R when compared to that of a benz or BMW. <p>I suppose to add, most people that drive an R are generally in the same demographic and it suits all of them just fine... So question to be asked will be about what your demographic is and how you want to be precieved by others. Don't get into something "just cause"...really think about what your "look" is...and roll with that.<p>Another thing to consider will be your expectations from this car...if you want to buy a car and not touch it but still kill an M3 or vette, look somewhere else. The R is more of a blend of performance, style, and safety than just pure power to the ground insanity. If I may be so bold and compare the R to that of the Chivas Brothers "Royal Salute" vs. Jhonny Walker Black or even Jägermeister, then I will go out on a limb and say the R is closer to the Royal Salute than the Jägermeister. So I suppose you need to ask yourself what is your drink of choice and aim from there... <p>Cheers (pardon the pun...)<br>Prospero<p>
 

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Got this e-mail from Volvo the other day:<p>Up to $2000 Loyalty bonus on model year 2006 Volvos<p>If you've been looking forward to the safety and comfort of a new Volvo, now's the time to act. Your Volvo Retailer has:<p>$2,000 loyalty offers on the stylish S60, sophisticated S80, versatile V70, adventurous XC70 and rugged XC90<p>$1,000 loyalty offers on the nimble S40 and the active V50
 

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Re: Talk me into buying a V70R (Mika)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mika</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.<p>Still, I already got most of the R properties that I care about in my good ol' T5, except the trunk space and AWD. It's at least as fast as a stock R (so I'd need to tune the R also to make faster), it's updated with painted moldings and headlights so it looks new. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you a T5 that has been modded to be as fast as an R, it seems a little strange to me to go out and buy an R (except for the AWD). Maybe you should look at an Avant S4.
 

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Re: Talk me into buying a V70R (flybynight)

I would agree here as well. The positives have been stated and you are aware of them having now owned a T5.<p>Keep in mind that just because there is an AWD sticker on the car, it is basically a FWD car under most conditions. In terms of dry weather handling it behaves as a FWD. Low traction surfaces are a different story.<p>There is torque steer, no doubt about the same in amplitude as your T5, but much shorter in duration, as SOME power is sent to the rear wheels. There is no , and sounds like there will not be, any one providing any mods to change the Haldex torque split. Even if it did exist, the angle gear appears to be a weak pioint that would not take the abuse.<p>There just are so few wagons available with a 6 speed, so if that is what you want there will be some compromises.
 

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Re: Talk me into buying a V70R (flybynight)

There's a little kink to this story that I have not told. My T5 seems to require a new transmission, so trading it in may be the least pain. I'll see in a couple of weeks whether I'll fix it or not. If I will, then I'm gonna keep it until it's mechanically done.<p>But I may have found a solution: I will get either the V70R or the XC90 for the wifey, and take her A4 and mod it for myself. That will keep my hands busy, and we still got a new Volvo in teh family. She's partial to the SUV, but maybe I can turn her head.<p>I went to see new AMG Mercs and the Vette today. Those are sooo nice, but now we're talking about $50 to $100k. Sends a wrong message, that kind of vehicle, I tell you what. (Hey, I did not say I'm poor, just as stingy as they come!)
 

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Re: Talk me into buying a V70R (Prospero)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Prospero</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well just remember what image you want to convey and how your car reflects your image.<p>If you're a good professional who needs to tote customers around or entertain clients, ect...the R IMHO is the best way to fly. It is comfortable yet humble when compared to the MBs and BMWs out there. (Sticker price is what I'm aiming at here...not performance) So there generally are fewer comments about your status when you drive the R when compared to that of a benz or BMW. <p>I suppose to add, most people that drive an R are generally in the same demographic and it suits all of them just fine... So question to be asked will be about what your demographic is and how you want to be precieved by others. Don't get into something "just cause"...really think about what your "look" is...and roll with that.<p>Prospero</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wow...I'm glad I don't have your kind of job. What a soul-sucking thing to have to make all these nuanced calculations about image/message/look/perception of others when deciding to buy a car, instead of just being able to buy the car you actually want. Ugh.
 

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Re: Talk me into buying a V70R (kenschel)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kenschel</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow...I'm glad I don't have your kind of job. What a soul-sucking thing to have to make all these nuanced calculations about image/message/look/perception of others when deciding to buy a car, instead of just being able to buy the car you actually want. Ugh.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hmm, interesting that you put it that way... I'm only a little insulted since it's not my job doing that, it is my culture! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"><p>So are you saying my culture is soul-sucking abd calculating? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Geez...just goes to show ya that not everyone is alike. Good thing too...I'd be bored to tears.<p>Prospero
 
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