SwedeSpeed - Volvo Performance Forum banner

1 - 20 of 21 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
161 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Thought I'd ask for some input from the R Hive...<p>I've got an '02 v70 T5 manual w/46k miles on it. Black on black, ipod adapter, B&M short shifter, integrated boosters, 3rd row. Always treated to synthetic oil, well cared for.<p>What would I gain - if anything - by going to a v70 R? Would the driving experience be better? Worse? Different?<p>I'm also considering the new BMW 530xi, but the lack of a 3rd row jump seat bums me out.<p>Let the opinions rip,<p>Harry J
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
13,504 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (harryj)

You would gain a few more ponies, an extra gear, AWD, 4C, Brembos, lots of R's, etc. I would keep the car you have and wait for a new platform R to arrive (hopefully) in a few years. A four year old T5 manual is a very nice car. Wouldn't be worth the $15-20 grand to upgrade, IMO.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,052 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (harryj)

You would gain some more power and the AWD mainly. I think that the R looks better, but it isn't that different. Honestly, just from the fact that you are looking at a 530xi, it sounds like you want something very different (but with similar options) to your T5. You will be killed on the R's residual value and if it's not a car you are in love with, then it's not worth it unless Volvo gives you an amazing deal.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
63,543 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (harryj)

At this point I would keep it if you like it. The miles are low and it's a rare wagon<br>You can always spend a few bucks, modify the ECU and do a little suspension work.<br>You would have a "new" wagon again and would keep it fresh until the new platform arrives in a year
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
643 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (harryj)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>harryj</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thought I'd ask for some input from the R Hive...<br>I've got an '02 v70 T5 manual w/46k miles on it. Black on black, ipod adapter, B&M short shifter, integrated boosters, 3rd row. Always treated to synthetic oil, well cared for.<br>What would I gain - if anything - by going to a v70 R? Would the driving experience be better? Worse? Different?<br>I'm also considering the new BMW 530xi, but the lack of a 3rd row jump seat bums me out.<br>Let the opinions rip,<br>Harry J</TD></TR></TABLE><br>your car sounds nice and clean. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> i'm not very familiar with US prices but if it's going to cost you $15k-$20k to upgrade to a V70R as WayneT5 says, then it's definitely not worth it. <br>i'd wait for the next gen R if i were you. <br>or you might go for the bimmer too. but do not seek R type of power in a 530xi cos you'll be disappointed. <br>for now, maybe you could just throw a couple of thousand bucks and slightly mod it to R levels with an intake, exhaust and ecu. That new power around 300 bhp would keep you happy for some time until the new R comes.<p>
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,254 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (Serdar-S60T5)

But if you want to lease...you might get a great deal on an '06 V70R. I know I made the move from a T5 to and R and am very happy.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,545 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (harryj)

harryj <br> <br>I was in a similar boat this year (I had an '02 S60 T5M). My biggest beef with the T5 was that it's FWD. It just didn't feel sporty enough for me. 247hp FWD was just not my cup of tea. I just didn't like the FWD feel off the line and around sharp corners. I started realizing the difference AWD makes when we got our XC90, it has a much worse power:weight ratio but it showed me there is BIG difference in going to AWD. Off the line and pulling hard through tight corners, AWD is WAY BETTER than FWD.<p>If I were in your shoes now I'd probably wait a few months and order an MY07 V70R late in the year or early next year. Would be really cool to get the LAST MY07 R wagon off the line with OSD, eh! Otherwise you'll be waiting 3-4 years for the next R (I don't think you want it the first year it comes out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> ) Think of all the fun you'll miss <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>LTA<p><br>
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
102 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (harryj)

Harry<p>I made the same move you are contemplating - from an '01 V70 T5 manual to an '05 V70R manual. I did so because I missed the awd. Before the T5, my previous car was a '97 850 awd with a 5 speed manual.<p>I moved from the 850 to the V70 T5 because the 850 was getting maintenance heavy, and I wanted the extra grunt of the T5. I moved to the V70R because, as I said, I missed the awd. I live in the snow belt of central Ontario, and missed the sure footed awd. Having said that, the awd only gets you moving fast - it doesn't do much for braking.<p>The T5 was a very comfortable and capable car, but suffered from torque steer. The V70R is unique, but in some ways a little over the top (4C, emblems, almost useless bi-xenons).<p>In hindsight, I probably should have kept the T5. It was problem free, and a pleasure to drive. <p>Neil<p><br>
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
11,927 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>You can always spend a few bucks, modify the ECU and do a little suspension work.<br>You would have a "new" wagon again and would keep it fresh until the new platform arrives in a year</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Words to live by. I've been tempted countless times to trade in my 02 S60T5M for an R, but it's just too much money. It's far cheaper to get ECU/exhaust/intake and maybe some other toys instead (wheels/brakes/suspension)... and keep it for a few more years until the next-gen Rs come out (2009 or 2010 probably).
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
161 Posts
Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (Warpedcow)

Thanks, guys, for the input. <p>I really enjoy the heck out of the car. Great seats, room for 7 (kids in the way back, natch), goes like stink, and can tow my 19' boat <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">.<p>Really the only think I'd like to improve upon is the suspension - too much lean in the corners. It has the standard springs/struts in front and nivomat set up in the rear. Should I consider these components? If so, what would you go with? I live in New England, with pretty rough roads.<p>Best,<p>Harry J<p>PS: Oh, the side-view mirrors generate a silly amount of wind noise. I'm tempted to replace with the '04+ versions - any ideas of where to obtain without paying a fortune?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,478 Posts
Harry-<p>in terms of raw power - for a modest amount of money, you could make your T5 as fasr or faster than a stock R. you CAN'T add the AWD, which will greatly affect teh ride/handling/etc.<p>here is what I would do if I were you...<p>I'd find a V70R - and test drive it. See how you like the way it drives/feels. <p>If you think you like the power - you can add taht to your car pretty easily. If you really like the way it drives, handles..that would be harder to add to your car. it's not really easy to make a FWD T5 handle like an AWD R.<p>if you fall in love with the way the V70R drives, and ahve to have it - then look into the switch - if you can justify the expense.<p>If, however, you aren't thrilled to the point that you want to upgrade cars - then keep the T5.<p>if you just want to spruce up your T5, you could make the T5 a lot sportier/faster for not that much money.<p>ECU/dp/exhaust will give you a NICE jump in power. you'll outrun a stock V70R for sure with those bolt ons. you'll have at leat 300hp and you'll weigh less than a V70R.<p>if you add 18" wheels, springs and sway bars, you'll have a big gain in handling too.<p>you'd almost have a car that has much of what the R has - minus the AWD and Brembos...<p>but you would only be spending $5000 or less for all that stuff.<p>it'll cost you way more than $5000 to sell/trade your V70 in and replace it with an R.<p>or just keep the T5 the way it is, save that $5000 and buy another car in a year or two when somethign better/newer is out.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,308 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (harryj)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>harryj</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Really the only think I'd like to improve upon is the suspension - too much lean in the corners. It has the standard springs/struts in front and nivomat set up in the rear. Should I consider these components? If so, what would you go with? I live in New England, with pretty rough roads.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I just upgraded swings and sways at 36.5k and really enjoy it. The ride is harsher over really rough roads, but it's still quite driveable, and the wife hasn't complained at all about the change. I, on the other hand, notice and appreciate the difference from stock every day, especially through those twisties!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,499 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (Wayne T5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Wayne T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You would gain ...4C... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Really... You call that "gain"? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
787 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (harryj)

I'm planning (at the moment) on <i>keeping</i> my '98 (new snow tires, Mobil-1, always) as a "winter beater", and upgrading the turbo, ECU and exhaust.<p>And buying an '07 R. <p>And trading the '07 before the factory warranty expires.<p>If there were a 535xiT for '07, I'd seriously consider it, but the new 300hp turbo motor probably won't wind up there at least until the '08 model year. It's also unlikely the 5-series will ever be as deeply discounted as an R. <p>I was gonna stick with my '98 until I had <i>three</i> problems with it within 10 days. I still like driving it, but it's <i>nine</i> years old now. <p>But on an '02 with 46k? I probably wouldn't bother to make the change.<p>
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
35 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (harryj)

Harry,<p>the responses here all seem to suppose that you'll buy a new R. The deals on 06s are outstanding right now ($10k off MSRP if you look hard enough), but you might want to consider an 04 or 05 R. That's what I did. My wife and I test drove both an 06 V70 2.5T and R. We couldn't afford to 06 R, but knew we wouldn't be satisfied with the 2.5T, so we found an 04 V70R with 12k miles for $28k. That's about $10k less than even the best 06 deals. I'm not sure what you could get for your T5, but I'll bet the swap would be about $10k, and you'd have a newer car with less miles, and probably less depreciation from here on out with the used R. <p>Eric
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
13,504 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (Razor1973)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Razor1973</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Really... You call that "gain"? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You're right, I should've put quotes around that.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,254 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (E34M5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>E34M5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Harry,<p>the responses here all seem to suppose that you'll buy a new R. The deals on 06s are outstanding right now ($10k off MSRP if you look hard enough), but you might want to consider an 04 or 05 R. That's what I did. My wife and I test drove both an 06 V70 2.5T and R. We couldn't afford to 06 R, but knew we wouldn't be satisfied with the 2.5T, so we found an 04 V70R with 12k miles for $28k. That's about $10k less than even the best 06 deals. I'm not sure what you could get for your T5, but I'll bet the swap would be about $10k, and you'd have a newer car with less miles, and probably less depreciation from here on out with the used R. <p>Eric</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Depends if you're buying of leasing. I got my '06 S60R on a lease for $31,100.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
161 Posts
Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (soledoc)

Thanks for the additional input. I'm most definitely going to stick with the devil I know for the time being, and upgrade parts as the original ones require replacement.<p>With a T5, will ipd sways make a significant difference in handling?<p>Best,<p>Harry J<p>
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (harryj)

I have a 2001 V70 T5 with 19T turbo, Ferrita 3 inch downpipe and catback and Rica chip, about 330 HP and a 2004 V70R with Heico chip.<br>I like them both.<br>
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
603 Posts
Re: T5 to R - What would you do? (RdriveR)

I would keep the V70 and buy an older mustang and put a supercharger in it. I think the V70 T-5s are very capable and nice. I kinda of regret getting rid of my S70 T5 for the R. I should have done what I advised you.
 
1 - 20 of 21 Posts
Top