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I have a 96 850R and am debating on replacing the stock turbo with a T3 or T3/04, or simply keeping the stock turbo and port/polishing it. From what I've heard, I can pick up a T3 for a couple hundred bucks, and then port and polish it for another couple hundred bucks or get a stock T3/04 for $600+. On top of this, I was told that I would get the same HP and performance increase either way...Does this make sense? If so, then why wouldn't I just go with the T3 instead of the the T3/04? Finally, if I port and polish my current turbo (unfortunately I'm not sure which Mitsu turbo came with the R), will that give me any kind of comparable gains as the T3 or T3/04?<P>Thanks for the help as always, <P>
 

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Actually after first I was thinking about answer each one of your questions seriously, then I realized..."Why bother? He's probably not even sure about anything else beside the fact of swapping turbo for just the sake of swapping turbo..."<P>There are so many other aspects you would need to look into when consider such upgrade.<P>Do you know the limit of your motor? What is the limit of your budget? How much gain are you hoping to achieve? Are you prepare to face the problems of pushing more power? And many other issues will raise along with the search for more power.<P>Why do you think your current turbo is not good enough. What other upgrades have you done so far to lead you thinking you need to upgrade your turbo? Getting a turbo is not expensive at all, getting a good turbo and make it work with your car without breaking other parts and still manage to maintain a civil daily driving machine is an art.<P>When you have $10K spare change and ready for the commitment, then that will be the time to ask your question again.<P>I'm not even sorry that if I sound like an a$$, I've just been to too much crap with my project to sit here read someone naively thinks he can just pop in a turbo and be set to rock. Plus, I've actually wrote up few reviews about my upgrades..and no one seems to care, so I might sound just a bit bitter. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/biggrin.gif"><P>All in all, don't do the turbo upgrade just yet. If you want to make a wild hot rod outta your Volvo, it's not worth it, unless you think it is. These cars were never built to handle any sort of extreme power.<P>You would have better luck, result, and save more money by doing a turbo upgrade on an E36 M3.<P>
 

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First off, yes, you did sound like an a$$ in your post. I'm not offended though, even though you didn't answer any of my questions and went off on your own tangent. I do plan on upgrading the exhaust and the ECU, probably by IPD to do a custom job, hence the question about the turbo. I figured if I was going that route, I mind as well upgrade the turbo as well. As far as limits are concerned, I know that the 850 tranny will take about 300 - 320hp before things start to break, and with the three upgrades I plan on, I shouldn't hit much more than that, if I even get that high. I've researched quite a bit on the exhaust and chip, and someone suggested checking out the turbo upgrade as well, hence the post. Please remember, assumption is the mother of all F*** Ups.<P>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VolvoAddict:<BR><B>I'm not offended though...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Good, that's a start. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/biggrin.gif"> For those want to get some info from me will get some insults at first. As you can tell, I'm not a nice guy. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><P>No, you don't want to go aftermarket on the turbo at this point. Do get your other upgrades first, have a feel of what your car can really do before you fork out your saving for a turbo upgrade that will cost you an arm and a leg while give you little gain if you stay with the similar size turbo.<P>Volvo has used many good (right) size turbo for its displacement and the 5 cylinder engine characteristic. I believe you probably have the same TD04HL-15G turbo as the other older 850 models. You'd be surprised what kind of horsepower your current setup will do with proper tuning and the right ECU.<P>There are few physical obstacles, you'd need to overcome when upgrading to an aftermarket turbo. You can even simply purchase the large turbo that's used on the latest V70R, 19T...along with few other upgrades to bump you up to the limit of bending the rods.<P>So....do few upgrades first and study your car more before wasting your money on something you are not too familiar with. This will also let you appreicate your car more. I kinda got numb after I did bunch of upgrades at once when I first got the car...then ended up spending life time saving just to get more power. And soon, I know I'll need more power when I get used to the car...then the same old sad history repeats itself again.<P><BR>Kai<P>
 

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So Kai, the flame-breathing C70 isn't enough, huh? haha, I would love to have a car like that, of course I know I don't have the $ nor the time to be without a car, and especially a non-reliable car for any length of time. For me, a chip, exhaust, and intake are fine. Let's face it, the car stock isn't bad at all...<P>Good Luck Matt<P>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JHEIII850Turbo:<BR><B>So Kai, the flame-breathing C70 isn't enough, huh? </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Honestly, for a Volvo, I'm more than satisified. It's more than enough for me at this point. Maybe when I'm rich and famous, I'll do more...but it'd not a Volvo, though.<P>
 

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Not to worry Kai is a pusy cat in person, you got to love a guy who speaks his mind and you hate it when he speaks the truth! I am still laughing, keep it real Kai.<P>VolvoAddict, do the ECU and exhaust and I think you will be very happy. Kai is correct when he says you need lots of money to go to the next level. These two mods will give you a real kick in the pants check it out before any turbo work. Just my 2cents!
 

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I couldn't agree more with Sean and Kai. I was pushing out an estimated 307 HP at the crank 261.4 HP at the wheels prior to my last round of tuning. I've never replaced my turbo and don't see where it will be necessary till you go through and build up the bottom-end of the motor first. Kai is 100% spot on with his comments as well as his approach. Yeah, he's harsh at first but in the long run it's better than padded bull $hit. Kai has saved me some big $$$ with his experience and direct approach. He'll be truthful and not burn you just as long as you keep it real as well. And now...just my $.02 worth, research everything before you buy. Everyone claims to be the best, but they all have flaws in the logic. Look at your big-picture and buy accordingly. If you need to wait and save money before doing it, then don't rush and go cheap just to get it over with. If you know where you want to be at the end of the project and plan it out, you'll save time and money at the end.<P>Prospero
 

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Though Kai may sound kinda negative, he's done the serious buildup and has payed the price. It isn't cheap, and once you do a major upgrade like that, there are always 10 more upgrades related to the first that you need to do to keep the car reliable.<P>What is your purpose for doing it? I'd ask yourself that. If reliability is not an issue, or you have the ability to do all your own work then let the games begin. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><P>If you want reliability, then be prepared to either go with a more mild upgrade (ECU/exhaust) or to spend major money. <P>I look at $10K and think the same thing. My priority would be reliability, so I'd probably lean towards a tamer setup or with $10k burning a hole in my pocket, wait for an S60 R to come out, let some guy crack it up, and buy the motor and install it for the same price. There you'd have 300hp and reliability presumably.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_one_n_only:<BR><B>As you can tell, I'm not a nice guy. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Damn straight!! <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/tongue.gif"><P>BTW, I agree with everything so far. I'll take the ugly truth any day over the fairytale dreams of a place like EA.<P>
 

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Thanks for the additional replys guys. The logic behind getting an upgraded turbo was that if I were spending money on an ECU upgrade, I figured I mind as well have it done custom to my car's setup, and if I were to do that, I mind as well do all upgrades before the ECU. However, from what you guys are telling me about the $10k, I'm definately no longer thinking of the turbo upgrade. My goal was to get close to 300, and from what I can tell, the ECU and exhaust will only get me to ~280, or so I think. I guess either way, 280 from a volvo isn't too shabby.<P>Thanks again (even for the blunt response Kai <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif">)<P>
 

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Plus, isn't the tranny only rated for like 300hp? Is it worth the added effort for that little a gain from 280 to 300?<P>One thing you could consider is going to the setup from the V70R. Didn't that car have an upgraded turbo and some other additional componentry. I thought I remembered reading about someone doing that to their 850.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Evolvo:<BR><B>One thing you could consider is going to the setup from the V70R. Didn't that car have an upgraded turbo and some other additional componentry. I thought I remembered reading about someone doing that to their 850.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>If you read my previous posts more carefully....<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/frown.gif"> hehehe..guess still not many people read my comments. The ones that put 18T on their 850s..I think only very few ppl, and I'd probably know all of them. But 16T to replace the 15G, I know a handful.<P>
 

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I read the beginning One_N_Only and skimmed the rest. Now, having reread your posts on the subject, I'll just defer to you on this stuff. All I've done to my 855 are brakes, but I thought I'd seen it somewhere before anyway.<P>Speaking of upgrades....Is Swedespeed still going to do that shootout?
 
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