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Is there a logical reason why a large number of Volvo owners do not use synthetic motor oil in their cars?<br>
 

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Because the typical Volvo owner isn't an enthusiast and has blind faith in their dealer. <p>As I lease, I use whatever the stealership uses. <p>On cars that I keep, I use German Castrol. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Volvo uses an <I>"adapted synthetic engine oil at the factory"</I> and recommends Castrol oil products. Since I cannot afford German Castrol Motor Oil, I buy Mobil 1 (0w30) in the 5 quart container at Walmart. You cannot beat their price.<p>Pages 269/270 - Engine Oil (2009 S80 Owners manual)<p><BR><BR>
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Re: Synthetic Motor Oil (cet1st)

Same reason that a lot of Volvo owners put 87 in the gas tank. The dealer says it is okay or as NJB pointed out, who cares when it is a lease.
 

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But Volvo states that "87 should only be used in exceptional cases" which does not include normal driving.<p><br>2009 S80 V8/AWD with Technology and Collision Avoidance Packages (18" Balius, without 4C and BLIS), IPOD Integration System, Electric Silver Metallic.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cet1st</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But Volvo states that "87 should only be used in exceptional cases" which does not include normal driving.<p><br>2009 S80 V8/AWD with Technology and Collision Avoidance Packages (18" Balius, without 4C and BLIS), IPOD Integration System, Electric Silver Metallic.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I do not think that the language is that strong...<p>MY 2005 Owner Manual states:<p>"Fuel requirements<br>Octane rating<br>Volvo engines are designed for optimum performance on unleaded premium gasoline with an AKI octane rating of 91 or above. AKI (ANTI KNOCK INDEX) is an average of the Research Octane Number, RON, and the Motor Octane Number, MON. ((RON + MON)/2). The minimum octane requirement is AKI 87 (RON 91)."<p>2008 one:<p>"Refueling<p>MINIMUM - 87<p>Volvo recommends premium for best performance, but using 87 octane or above will not affect engine reliability.<p>Volvo engines are designed to achieve rated horsepower, torque, and fuel economy performance using premium 91 octane fuel. <p><br>RECOMMENDED - 91<p>In demanding driving conditions, such as operating the vehicle in hot weather, towing a trailer, or driving for extended periods at higher altitudes than normal, it may be advisable to switch to higher octane fuel (91 or higher) or to change gasoline brands to fully utilize your engine's capacity, and for the smoothest possible operation. "<p><br>Where did you get that - exceptional cases - statement?<p>
 

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Page 201 - Fuel (2009 S80 Owners manual)<p>87 (regular)-"should only be used in exceptional cases"<br>89 (mid grade) - "can be used for normal driving"<br>91(premium)-"recommended for optimum performance and minimum fuel consumption"<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by cet1st at 12:57 AM 7-20-2009</i>
 

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Care to provide a copy?<p>This is what page 201 of that quoted manual says:<p>Refueling<br>05<br>200<br>Opening/closing the fuel filler door<br>G022914<br>The fuel filler door is located on the right rear<br>fender (indicated by an arrow beside the fuel<br>tank symbol on the information display )<br>With the ignition switched off, press the button<br>on the lighting panel to unlock the fuel filler<br>door. Please note that the fuel filler door will<br>remain unlocked until the vehicle begins to<br>move forward. An audible click will be heard<br>when the fuel filler door relocks.<br>• If you intend to leave your vehicle while it<br>is being refueled, this feature enables you<br>to lock the doors/trunk while leaving the<br>fuel filler door unlocked.<br>• You can also keep the vehicle locked if you<br>remain inside it during refueling. The central<br>locking button does not lock the fuel<br>filler door.<br>• Be sure the fuel filler door is not obstructed<br>and is completely closed after refueling.<br>• Open the fuel filler cap slowly during hot<br>weather.<br>Close the fuel filler door by pressing it a click<br>indicates that it is closed.<br>CAUTION<br>• Avoid spilling gasoline during refueling.<br>In addition to causing damage to the<br>environment, gasolines containing<br>alcohol can cause damage to painted<br>surfaces, which may not be covered<br>under the New Vehicle Limited Warranty.<br>Manually opening the fuel filler door<br>G024631<br>If necessary, the fuel filler door can be opened<br>manually:<br>1. Open the side hatch in the trunk (on the<br>same side as the fuel filler door).<br>2. Grasp the green cord with a handle.<br>3. Pull the cord straight rearward until the fuel<br>filler door clicks open.<br>Opening/closing the fuel cap<br>G022915<br>Fuel vapor expands in hot weather. Open the<br>filler cap slowly.<br>After refueling, close the fuel filler cap by turning<br>it clockwise until it clicks into place."<p><br>And the 89 grade IS NOT mentioned in the owner's manual at all...<p>Where did you get it?<p>BTW, the manual is published on Volvocars.com<p><A HREF="https://www.customers.volvocars.com/owners/docs/2009/2009_S80/S80_OM_US_MY09-web.pdf" TARGET="_blank">https://www.customers.volvocar...b.pdf</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by gascos80 at 11:17 PM 7-19-2009</i>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cet1st</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Volvo uses an <I>"adapted synthetic engine oil at the factory"</I> and recommends Castrol oil products. Since I cannot afford German Castrol Motor Oil, I buy Mobil 1 (0w30) in the 5 quart container at Walmart. You cannot beat their price.<p>Pages 269/270 - Engine Oil (2009 S80 Owners manual)<p><br><i>Modified by cet1st at 12:56 AM 7-20-2009</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I see same kind of "creative reading" here<p>That's the quote from the owner's manual<p>"Engine oil<br>Engine oil must meet the minimum ILSAC<br>specification GF-4, API SL, or ACEA A1/B1.<br>Lower quality oils may not offer the same fuel<br>economy, engine performance, or engine protection.<br>Volvo recommends Castrol.<br>Depending on your driving habits, premium or<br>synthetic oils may provide superior fuel economy<br>and engine protection. Consult your Volvo<br>retailer for recommendations on premium or<br>synthetic oils.<br>Oil additives must not be used.<br><B>Synthetic oil is not used when the oil is<br>changed at the normal maintenance services.<br>This oil is only used at customer request, at<br>additional charge. Please consult your Volvo<br>retailer.</B>Oil viscosity (stable ambient<br>temperatures)<br>Operation in hot climates<br>When temperatures exceed 104 °F (40 °C) in<br>your area, Volvo recommends, for the protection<br>of your engine, that you use a heavier<br>weight oil, such as such as SAE 5W-40 or<br>0W-40. See the viscosity chart"
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cet1st</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is there a logical reason why a large number of Volvo owners do not use synthetic motor oil in their cars?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>YES, quite a large number of us have gotten multiple hundreds of thousands of miles on our cars WITHOUT it! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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It seems that I have a different version of the 2009 S80 Owners Manual<p>Page 201 (Fuel)<p>Page 269/270 (Engine Oil)<p><A HREF="http://www.volvocars.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Owners%20Area/Know/MY09/S80/PDF/S80_OwnersManual_en.pdf" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvocars.com/SiteC...n.pdf</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by cet1st at 10:25 AM 7-20-2009</i>
 

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I really despise when 65 yo acts like a child.<p>That's what YOUR EUROPEAN version of manual says on page 201<p>"Petrol<br>Petrol must meet the EN 228 standard. Most<br>engines can be run with octane ratings of 95<br>and 98 RON. 91 RON should only be used in<br>exceptional cases.<br>• 95 RON can be used for normal driving.<br>• 98 RON is recommended for optimum performance<br>and minimum fuel consumption.<br>When driving in temperatures above +38 °C,<br>fuel with the highest possible octane rating is<br>recommended for optimum performance and<br>fuel economy."<p><br>I see nothing about AMERICAN grades here, and 87 here in US IS NOT 91 in EU. It is about 92. Plus - US bound engines ARE TUNED differently to accomodate for the lower octane rating generally available in US.<p>Now, in most European contries 91 RON IS NOT EVEN AVAILABLE, and 95 RON IS the lowest grade commercially available on a road, while in USA it is 87 (RON+MON)/2. Hence the difference in manual. <p><br>Please, take an "Internet chat decency 101" class, before you comment here.<p>You can have ANY opinion you want - but once you state the FACTS - make sure you can support them.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I really despise when a 51 yo acts like a know it all. Acts as if no one can have a different opinion or interpretation, hides their email address, will not accept IM. What else are you trying to hide? <p>It seems to me that if you had taken an "Internet chat decency 101" class, you would be in a better position to express your ideas and opinions. In your bio, you state that you are a manager, then extend the professional courtesy a manager would know how to use when communicating with others.<p>My understanding of this site is that every member (regardless of age) can express, share and learn from each other's experiences regardless of their ideas, opinions, knowledge and life position. The common interest is to find out as much as we can about Volvo's.<p>
 

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As I said before, I welcome your opinions and interpretations, but strongly suggest to stay away from misrepresenting the FACTS. <br>NO ONE can learn from intentional misrepresentation. And when someone reads - "91RON" in relation to the Euro tuned engine, and then types - "87" as it would be ralated to the USA tuned engine, just to keep fighting the point that has no merrits - this IS a misrepresentation, and as a manager you should know that if you would provide "creative reading" to your boss, your days as a manager would be short numbered...<p>You do not share either experience or knowledge - hence my comment...<p>I do not know "all", it is impossible, and I never said that. I asked for the corraborative data, as to the stated "facts", and when you could not provide any, but, instead, tested my intelligence by pointing to the source that DOES NOT HAVE the facts you quoted, I came to the above mentioned conclusion. <br>I cannot see any reasonable adult-like behaviour here, hence my comment...<p>I changed the setting to accept IM. That denial was not intentional. I do receive IM's from some people...<p>
 

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Just for your information, I worked 39.5 years for a Transit Agency in the Training & Instruction, Maintenance Section. Not only did I have to teach others how to maintain the various maintenance equipment, but train them for professional positions, such as, instructors, leaders, coordinators and supervisors (managers) in the industrial/maintenance environment. <p>Also, I had to update maintenance materials for training new repairers as well as keep current repairers with retrofits to the equipment. Maintenance data must be interpreted and applied to each situation. Not all situations will or can be covered in a manual, but that's where the individual and others' experiences plays a crucial role.<p>Part of the supervisory training was listening to others, repeating what was said (heard) to verify its accuracy before offering a opinion or an interpretation. Converting (interpreting) European 91 RON to its U.S. equivalent 87 is not <I>misrepresenting the FACTS</I>. Using your logic, then I would have to dismiss all other Volvo specifications which are not written in U.S measurements or for the U.S. market. <p>Lastly, I gave my interpretations what I believe to be accurate based upon the information I obtained. I like to thank you for the U.S. version which I could not locate on the Internet. I look forward to communicating with all members for their opinions and interpretations whether I agree or disagree, that's the function of this forum.
 

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It is all nice and dandy, but what you have done is an intentional misrepresentation.<br>I have asked - where did you see that 87 (R+M)/2 gasoline can only be used in exceptional cases? and I have not seen the answer yet...<br>Instead you used different standard, applied to the engines built to the different specs, and YET, used it as the DIRECT anwer to my question, without ANY quilifications that it is JUST your interpretention...<p>Look, give it up; please do not follow the RIP'd former member, aka RWP, who would never admit his mistake and would twist the facts any way possible just to have the last word...<p>And , to no surprise, his favorite argument was the years of his experience...<br> <p>RTFM (the one, printed for USA) - I hope I do need to spell this infamous achronim out...<p>And yes, you CANNOT DIRECTLY apply specifications, measurements and standards of one country to the other...simple rule of thumb in engineering, which you claim to know so well...<p>You can compare and make reasonable inferences, but then you HAVE TO be specific that you provide interpretations, but not the FACTS.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cet1st</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It seems that I have a different version of the 2009 S80 Owners Manual<p>Page 201 (Fuel)<p>Page 269/270 (Engine Oil)<p><A HREF="http://www.volvocars.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Owners%20Area/Know/MY09/S80/PDF/S80_OwnersManual_en.pdf" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvocars.com/SiteC...n.pdf</A><p><br><i>Modified by cet1st at 10:25 AM 7-20-2009</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Okay, THIS is the reason you seem to have a "different" owner's manual. Gascos80 is quoting from the manual printed for the United States for a US Spec. car. You reference a EUROPEAN website as your source for the owner's manual. <p>Try going to <A HREF="http://www.volvocars.us" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvocars.us</A>. This is the Volvo Cars North America site and has US VERSION MANUALS listed in the owner's library section!<p>Personally, I find it a bit odd that your signature states that you are a resident of a MAJOR American City, yet you cite information from an EUROPEAN Volvo website to settle an argument concerning a US SPECIFICATION CAR.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>V70 Brad</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Personally, I find it a bit odd that your signature states that you are a resident of a MAJOR American City, yet you cite information from an EUROPEAN Volvo website to settle an argument concerning a US SPECIFICATION CAR.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>cet1st 29 posts.<p>Oh, no! Did our "favorite" Canadian agitator get a second user name? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Just for conversion and Swedespeed forum members:<br>What is your education level?<br>What is your maintenance experience?<br>How long have you been a manager?<br>In what field?<br>What is your maintenance expertise?<p>In other words, what is your bio?
 
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