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<IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/news/uploads/features/xc60_x3_q5_header.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Whether you know it or not, Swedespeed is one of a handful of sites run by a group of European car enthusiasts. Other sites in the group focus on Volkswagen, BMW, Audi and even Saab, and, just as with Swedespeed, all of those sites are also run by die-hard enthusiasts of their respective brands. This house-of-Euro-fanboys makes for an interesting office-place dynamic. . .<p><A HREF="http://www.swedespeed.com/news/publish/Features/article_1544.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swedespeed.com/news....html</A>
 

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Very nice (and fair) review of 3 excellent crossovers.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VolvoD</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">XC60 owns both of them. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree. (Shhhh, I didn't say that.)
 

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Re: Swedespeed and Affiliate Site Comparo: XC60 vs. BMW X3 vs. Audi Q5 ([email protected])

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>[email protected]</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br>Whether you know it or not, Swedespeed is one of a handful of sites run by a group of European car enthusiasts. Other sites in the group focus on Volkswagen, BMW, Audi and even Saab, and, just as with Swedespeed, all of those sites are also run by die-hard enthusiasts of their respective brands. This house-of-Euro-fanboys makes for an interesting office-place dynamic. . .<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Where, in Chicago, is your office?<p>Send me an IM, if you wish.
 

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Re: Swedespeed and Affiliate Site Comparo: XC60 vs. BMW X3 vs. Audi Q5 (GrecianVolvo)

As someone who just went through the process of looking at all three of these cars I have to say my order was Volvo, Audi, and maybe Lexus if only I really hated the other two. The BMW was not even in the running due to its box shape and it is showing its age. The Lexus in my view is also showing its age a bit even though it was "upgraded" this year.<p>Can't wait to pick up my XC60 in September.<p>John
 

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Re: Swedespeed and Affiliate Site Comparo: XC60 vs. BMW X3 vs. Audi Q5 ([email protected])

A recent Car and Driver magazine article showed their test results of these three vehicles plus the Lexus RX350. They agreed that the BMW was a tired design that needed updating, but when their final ranking came in, they had the Audi as first, BMW second, Volvo third, and Lexus fourth. It doesn't seem like Volvo will ever get credibility with these automobile rags. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Swedespeed and Affiliate Site Comparo: XC60 vs. BMW X3 vs. Audi Q5 (arporro)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>arporro</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A recent Car and Driver magazine article showed their test results of these three vehicles plus the Lexus RX350. They agreed that the BMW was a tired design that needed updating, but when their final ranking came in, they had the Audi as first, BMW second, Volvo third, and Lexus fourth. It doesn't seem like Volvo will ever get credibility with these automobile rags. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Did you read the review? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> Volvo got plenty of credibility during the test. Having driven both the Q5 and XC60, I think they got the review spot on. <p>Not sure what they were thinking about placing the X3 second. But honestly, the Q5 is a very good vehicle. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Needsdecaf at 9:13 AM 6-28-2009</i>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VolvoD</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">XC60 owns both of them. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, it does not own the Q5. They are most certainly very close, and the difference is down to individual preference. <p>Stu sums it up great here:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>[email protected]</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In a way, the Q5 and the XC60 almost complement one another. They weigh the same, measure closely in every direction, and even have the same starting prices (sort of.) But from there, they take different paths. While the Audi is conservative, yet upscale, and does its job quite well without a whole lot of driver involvement, the XC60 has an in-your-face exterior and, when spec’d right, an interior that’s doesn’t just get in your face, it punches you in the nose. Some people won’t like the two-tone leather, the less-is-more floating console, or the many textures. They should probably buy a Q5. But others will think it’s very cool, and as a vehicle, they’ll probably find the XC60 to be comforting, entertaining, and useful all at the same time. It’s fast but not exactly sporty and, as one would expect from a new Volvo, it’s very safety-oriented.<p>So that’s how they play out. Which one is best will likely depend on your own priorities and allegiances. Naturally, even our own staff would be pulled in different directions, with no single vehicle emerging as totally dominant in the group. A rematch to the death, however, may be in order once the new X3 is spawned.</TD></TR></TABLE>
 

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Re: Swedespeed and Affiliate Site Comparo: XC60 vs. BMW X3 vs. Audi Q5 (arporro)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>arporro</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A recent Car and Driver magazine article showed their test results of these three vehicles plus the Lexus RX350. They agreed that the BMW was a tired design that needed updating, but when their final ranking came in, they had the Audi as first, BMW second, Volvo third, and Lexus fourth. It doesn't seem like Volvo will ever get credibility with these automobile rags. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That was Car & Driver. In Motor Trend's comparison, the XC60 came in 2nd.
 

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Re: Swedespeed and Affiliate Site Comparo: XC60 vs. BMW X3 vs. Audi Q5 (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Where, in Chicago, is your office?<p>Send me an IM, if you wish.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>We're out in Lombard.
 

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Re: Swedespeed and Affiliate Site Comparo: XC60 vs. BMW X3 vs. Audi Q5 ([email protected])

The only thing that I want to point out is that these are all close in comparison and boils down to personal opinion. When they mentioned the Volvo having a higher fuel consumption than the others, they failed to mention that the Volvo is the only car that does NOT require premium fuel. Though most Swedespeeders would still utilize this grade of fuel, the buying public won't.
 

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Re: Swedespeed and Affiliate Site Comparo: XC60 vs. BMW X3 vs. Audi Q5 (T Schroeder)

Yeah, but how much power do you get out of that engine on regular fuel.... not the rated power I can assure you.
 

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Re: Swedespeed and Affiliate Site Comparo: XC60 vs. BMW X3 vs. Audi Q5 (Needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, but how much power do you get out of that engine on regular fuel.... not the rated power I can assure you. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, and how often do you need/use the full rated power? <p>Regular is just fine, if premium is not required. That was discussed here to death...
 

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Re: Swedespeed and Affiliate Site Comparo: XC60 vs. BMW X3 vs. Audi Q5 (gascos80)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gascos80</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Yeah, and how often do you need/use the full rated power? <p>Regular is just fine, if premium is not required. That was discussed here to death...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's called area under the curve. It's not just peak power that suffers. <p>If it doesn't bother you, that's fine. That was not my point. <p>
 

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Re: Swedespeed and Affiliate Site Comparo: XC60 vs. BMW X3 vs. Audi Q5 ([email protected])

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>[email protected]</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>We're out in Lombard.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Is that the old Meigs Field you guys were at? I heard they turned it into a park now.
 

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Re: Swedespeed and Affiliate Site Comparo: XC60 vs. BMW X3 vs. Audi Q5 (Needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>It's called area under the curve. It's not just peak power that suffers. <p>If it doesn't bother you, that's fine. <B>That was not my point. </B><p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Really,<br>That was exactly your point - regular fuel does not allow to reach the full power...<p>Speaking of the curve - regardles of the fuel grade, you can ALWAYS have the same HP if you keep you revs a bit higher, so untill you reach the peak, you can always get the same performance using different driving techniques...<p>Ignition retardation reduces the output at the SAME RPM, but if, for instance, you loose even 10% of HP due the retardation, you can gain that power back by increasing the RPM by 10%, give or take, because the RPM-HP curve is usually proportional in the "normal" driving RPM range...<p>Am I missing something?<p>That is why, the average driver usually do not feel the power loss, but might see some fuel deficiency due to the less efficient burning and higher RPM.
 

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Re: Swedespeed and Affiliate Site Comparo: XC60 vs. BMW X3 vs. Audi Q5 (gascos80)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gascos80</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Really,<br>That was exactly your point - regular fuel does not allow to reach the full power...<p>Speaking of the curve - regardles of the fuel grade, you can ALWAYS have the same HP if you keep you revs a bit higher, so untill you reach the peak, you can always get the same performance using different driving techniques...<p>Ignition retardation reduces the output at the SAME RPM, but if, for instance, you loose even 10% of HP due the retardation, you can gain that power back by increasing the RPM by 10%, give or take, because the RPM-HP curve is usually proportional in the "normal" driving RPM range...<p>Am I missing something?<p>That is why, the average driver usually do not feel the power loss, but might see some fuel deficiency due to the less efficient burning and higher RPM.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, READ what I wrote. I said you would not reach RATED power, not peak power. That means rated power over the whole powerband. <p>You are 100% correct in your analysis that you will be down in power but you can use more revs to overcome it. However I disagree that the usual driver will not feel the power loss. I feel it when my car retards timing because it is hot out. I would suspect most would if they lost 10% power as well. And I do not like having to rev the car harder to gain the power. <p>You might not, but I suspect that most notice. Not sure if they will care, but they will notice. Even my wife notices when the R cuts timing due to the heat, and she's not exactly an enthusiast.... <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Needsdecaf at 9:37 PM 7-1-2009</i>
 
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