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Is it cheaper or something to buy an s60 and put in R parts or something cause I see alot of people on that forum buying and using R parts in their modded S60's. Why not just buy an R. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Don't get me wrong some of the cars there look nice, it's still not an R though, it's sort of like being a poser or phony. Brings me back to why buy an R-design w/out the performance?
 

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Re: Surfing through the S60 forum here and found lots of R mods there! (crimnlmnded)

... to avoid having to replace the:<p>-angle gear<br>-shocks<br>-steering rack<br>-sway bar links<br>-etc.<p>on a regular basis <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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AthruC=1<br>crimnlmnded=0<p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Even if you replace all that Adam you still don't get the same performance no matter what, yes I have had more problems in 2 years with my R than in 5 years with my regular s60, still can't see myself going any other route. I do hate my R sometimes just can't see myself in a different Volvo. <p>And Maxter you don't even own an R what R you doing here! looking for advice?<br>crimnlmnded=1<br>Maxter81=0 <br>doof! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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This could get ugly.<p>AthruC, if you mod your nonR S60, the suspension and drive train will still be weak points just as likely to go.
 

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<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>It all depends on the S60/V70 to be honest. I'm personally considering an 05+ T5 when the times comes and swapping over some of the bits - leaving me with a car that can put down more power without having to worry about the cylinder walls cracking <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Not everybody could afford the payments on an "R" (even WITH the incentives <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0">), and would much rather put that money into personalizing their car w/ "R" gear.<p>The idea, though, is to buy the best that you can as the 'base' - but not everybody thinks that all things on the "R" are necessarily the best. They might sound nice on paper, but the 4C and AWD = <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>geo - If you're upgrading springs/sways/links already, what's the difference if it's for an "R" or non-R? You're throwing away cheaper parts if it's the later. Drive train failures on the "R" = angle gear and cylinder walls - not the case w/ non-R's.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AthruC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> They might sound nice on paper, but the 4C and AWD = <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why is that in reguards to the 4c?
 

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It's a good concept, but if you have ever driven a car with a truly functional/cohesive adjustable suspension, you'd understand. As I understand it, it's a function of the springs being too soft for the car/system, and the shocks have to work in a manner that is not physically possible to counteract.<p>IF we could find someone to make a custom SUM upgrade to work with stiffer springs, I'd feel differently. The hardware/ability is there - just not with what we've been given to work with.
 

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Adam if al these issues come with the R then how come all these people still have them. Why wouldn't we be able to join forces and sue Volvo for this piece of False advertisement crap they sold us.<br>And I did have regular suspension issues with my non R I changed them twice in 5 years. and my payments weren't much cheaper on my s60... I agree the R does have alot of problems and what is this about cracked cylinder walls?<br>I thought the R "motorengine" (LOL) was able to handle up to 500hp? or at least 450!<br>And I don't think everything on the R is the best, it does have alot nicer features though than most nonR s60's.<p><br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AthruC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's a good concept, but if you have ever driven a car with a truly functional/cohesive adjustable suspension, you'd understand. As I understand it, it's a function of the springs being too soft for the car/system, and the shocks have to work in a manner that is not physically possible to counteract.<p>IF we could find someone to make a custom SUM upgrade to work with stiffer springs, I'd feel differently. The hardware/ability is there - just not with what we've been given to work with.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So your opinion is i would say the same thing IF i have EVER driven a car with a truely functional/cohesive adjustible suspension? Thats strange you know everyones perception is different right,,,you say something sucks i may like it..I say something sucks ,,you may like it . YOU cant make a definitive statement based on your opinion and apply it to everyone as what should be common sense. I.E. If i ever drove a car with blah blah blah!
 

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Ignorance is bliss?<br>
 

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Knew I could count on you Adam to make this thread move along in an interesting direction. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Surfing through the S60 forum here and found lots of R mods there! (crimnlmnded)

Besides the odd Peg and front bumper (which both look nice, R or not) I haven't really seen US-model S60s or V70s converted to look like the R. Europeans do that because the Rs are ridiculously expensive there. And the end results are often very desirable, like Volvere's V70T5.<p>For other than cosmetic mods, Athruc summarized it well.
 

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your opinion is biased Mika cause you do not drive an R and this is a thread for R owners. And I like Adam he's a cool guy only his summary is his opinion, which some of his views I do share and some I don't, unfortunately not all R owners think this way so that is that.......... And I have seen a few US S60 mods to look like R's yes mostly cosmetic still WHY? I guess we aRe all entitled to our opinion and choices!
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AthruC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's a good concept, but if you have ever driven a car with a truly functional/cohesive adjustable suspension, you'd understand. As I understand it, it's a function of the springs being too soft for the car/system, and the shocks have to work in a manner that is not physically possible to counteract.<p>IF we could find someone to make a custom SUM upgrade to work with stiffer springs, I'd feel differently. The hardware/ability is there - just not with what we've been given to work with.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree with Adam and I've felt this way almost right after I bought the car, albeit I never test drove it first. Being a 04, mine doesn't even have the updated 4C. The ride was always jiggly, uncomposed, and very harsh over bumps and potholes. Springs helped the jiggly aspect of the ride but it's still pretty harsh over bad roads. When I rode/drove my friend's E46 M3, I was amazed at the quality of the ride. Very taught and stiff yet also pretty complaint on but the worst of road conditions. A well designed traditional sport suspension without any electronic gimmickery is the way to go IMHO.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>crimnlmnded</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your opinion is biased Mika cause you do not drive an R and this is a thread for R owners. And I like Adam he's a cool guy only his summary is his opinion, which some of his views I do share and some I don't, unfortunately not all R owners think this way so that is that.......... And I have seen a few US S60 mods to look like R's yes mostly cosmetic still WHY? I guess we aRe all entitled to our opinion and choices!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Consider it a form of flattery. The R bits look better/sportier so why wouldn't someone retrofit them. Just think of the plethora of regular BMW's you've seen with M badges, wheels, grill vents, whole front and rear bumpers, and even transplanted engines. Heck just today I saw an older 7-series with both an Alpina badge AND a M badge. I've even seen an E90 330i rebadged as a 335i with a Porsche Turbo badge. Why would you even badge a car as a turbo if it never came with turbos in the first place?! It's all about the image to some people.
 

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I wouldn't go crazy but if I had an aging S60 that needed sprucing up, I'd probably get Pegs. I just think they're good looking wheels in general. If I got into an accident or something and needed body parts replaced, I'd probably try to con my insurance company to pay for R bumpers. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>To be honest, outside the Volvo circle the R is mostly unknown to the rest of the world. Heck even some R owners don't even care that they have a R or appreciate it's uniqueness as I'm sure you've read on this forum. But that's part of the car's appeal to me. I know it's special and I don't have to let everyone know it. I like the fact that I drive a rare car and not have to worry about it attracting unwanted attention.
 

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So you wouldn't just do it just because ? There is some reason behind doing it for you! I do agree about the suspension.
 
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