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I know this is not the place for it...but from the mouth of a 35-year old husband and father of two...street racing is stupid.<p>I was tempted last Wednesday by some hillbilly in a large confererate-stickered truck. Needless to say, I cut between two cars by a matter of feet on the highway going over 100 mph.<p>This car is misleadingly fast (especially at higher speeds) and I was mere seconds away from leaving my spouse (and possibly others) widowed.<p>Just a reminder....STREET RACING IS FOOLISH! (Off my soapbox) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (Eric_H)

I highly doubt you were able to make that move under 4000 RPM <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> .<p>Seriously, in the infamous words of some country song I fail to remember the title of "I want a man who drives a fast car ... slow"<p>High horsepower cars got me into a lot of trouble in my youth, but as you correctly point out, they could have killed me. Racing to 55 from a stoplight is one thing, but the kind of high-speed stuff you are talking about is downright dangerous. Please be careful.
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (Quick Brick)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Quick Brick</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I highly doubt you were able to make that move under 4000 RPM <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>6th gear x 4000 RPM = 110 mph. Trust me, all of us Autobahn types know just how fast you can go during break in. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (Quick Brick)

Yep Quick...you are soooo correct.<br>I went from a 'poop (will be edited) and giggles' type feeling to an 'oh my lord, how stupid, dangerous, and illegal did I just act?'<p>I do think the sonic blue along with just having a sportier car than my LS really gave me an attitude. When I think of it, I had been driving at least 10 mph above the speed limit all last week.<p>This is a fun car, but it is waaaaaay too nice to total for 5 seconds of ego-building.<p>Don't worry, from now on, I will have more of a 'why would I bother racing you' type attitude. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (Eric_H)

I see the way you're starting your NEW R will be seeing the inside of a body shop real soon.<br>On the other hand it may be YOU, seeing the inside of the county jail <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (Eric_H)

You're right and wrong, but mostly right.<p>Street racing is not inherently stupid, and it can be illegal.<br>However, STUPID street racing is stupid.<p>The Grok guide to street racing:<p>Never endanger anyone, including yourself.<br>Never race on a street that is unsafe.<br>Unsafe means lots of things, line of sight, debris, traction, etc.<p>Never race stupid people.<br>Never race an obvious win or loss. There's no point, its not fun or even satisfying.<p>I raced an M3 the other night on the interstate. We both waited until we had clear LOS, two clear lanes, no traffic, and in the 3 runs we backed off when the winner was determined.<p>"Legal" is another matter. Legality varies by province, even mile-by-mile. Speed laws are obscure as well. But that's a discussion for another forum, another time.<p>Glad you survived your brain fart. Now set some rules for yourself.<br>One more thing, if you join your local autocross chapter of SCCA, you can get your "hot driving" fix once or twice a month, plus you get to compete against other good drivers and make some friends too.
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I see the way you're starting your NEW R will be seeing the inside of a body shop real soon.<br>On the other hand it may be YOU, seeing the inside of the county jail <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why dont you rub it in a little more? Perhaps burn him at the stake while we're at it.<br>Sheesh he even made a thread saying how stupid it was, perhaps to avoid other people making the same mistakes.<p>It can be hard to resist sometimes. Personally I dont have a problem with racing when its in the right environment (i.e. void of other traffic)<p>Over there anyone clocking 140 on the highway gets treated like a murderer, around here it can be done legally (and the roads really arent always better) big deal.<p>Use common sense. Racing is never a smart thing to do, but to demonize it is a little rediculous. There IS still a line between being responsible and just plain boring.
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (JCviggen)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JCviggen</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Use common sense. Racing is never a smart thing to do, but to demonize it is a little rediculous.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>We're Americans, we reserve the right to be ridiculous and demonize everything that isn't at odds with common sense. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (vLGrok)

I realy like the last post. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE! Democracy is wonderfull <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (JCviggen)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JCviggen</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Why dont you rub it in a little more? Perhaps burn him at the stake while we're at it.<p>.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Perhaps you forgot the FIRST PINNED POST HERE<p>" §§ - SIGHTING POSTS HERE <U>===<B> KILL POSTS ARE NOT ALLOWED - §§</B> </U>"<br>This is the same, street racing is a kill post.
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (JRL)

Ok, JRL before you read this..........take the bunch out of your panties. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> This is not a kill story. This is a gentleman in ouR foRum that is admitting his stupidity and realizing the powere of the R. I think we all have had this experience at one time or another. It is nice to see someone holding himself accountalble for his actions, then posting them for us to read. That my freind is good "within the lines" interaction. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (MASH)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Street racing is not inherently stupid, and it can be illegal.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wrong on both counts. Street racing IS inherently stupid, and is ALWAYS illegal.<p>I love the justifications people use. "It was safe, there was nobody else around, clear line of sight, blah, blah, blah." Yep, you can predict animals that will run out in the road, that piece of debris that you couldn't see from half a mile back, and now can't see that you're doing 100mph+, etc. etc. etc.<p>You want' to get your speed rush, do what someone else suggested, take it to the track.
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (Mk1Racer)

street racing is illegal and if you do it you'll eventually get nailed.<p>i do agree, however, there is stupid street racing and then there is STUPID street racing. If i see two cars take off from a stop light, no cars around, in a low traveled area, only going up to 55mph or so - big deal. <p>When I see those little punk you know whats zig zagging through busy freeway traffic, causing countless near miss collisions, just so they can see who's POS Civic/Focus/Etc is faster - I get IRATE. <p>
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (Mk1Racer)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mk1Racer</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Wrong on both counts. Street racing IS inherently stupid, and is ALWAYS illegal.<p>I love the justifications people use. "It was safe, there was nobody else around, clear line of sight, blah, blah, blah." Yep, you can predict animals that will run out in the road, that piece of debris that you couldn't see from half a mile back, and now can't see that you're doing 100mph+, etc. etc. etc.<p>You want' to get your speed rush, do what someone else suggested, take it to the track.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>OK I'll bite, let's do this. Now you're at the track, what are the conditions? Clear road, nobody in harm's way, you're taking safety precautions. What makes street racing "inherently stupid" in your definition. Spell it out, we'll break it down. Getting out of bed is inherently stupid if we apply your arguments thus far.
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (23109VC)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>23109VC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">street racing is illegal</TD></TR></TABLE><p>"Illegal" is a localized modifier. You cannot generalize the law for every mile of road in every city, county, state, province, or nation. Things that are illegal in one place are legal in 10,000 other places. And legality has nothing to do with the application or not of stupidity.
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (vLGrok)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vLGrok</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Never race stupid people........<p>.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>took the word right out of my mouth <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (vLGrok)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vLGrok</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>"Illegal" is a localized modifier. You cannot generalize the law for every mile of road in every city, county, state, province, or nation. Things that are illegal in one place are legal in 10,000 other places. And legality has nothing to do with the application or not of stupidity.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>In virtually every US jurisdictions, most forms of speed contests, reckless driving, or other similar actions are considered violations of the law - usually misdemeanors, punishable with up to a year in jail and fines up to $1000. <p>I doubt you can find a state in the USA where it is legal to engage in a speed contest on a public road.<p>I should know...look at my SS handle.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>23109VC = Section 23109 of the Vehicle Code (CA). Speed Contests, Exhibition of Speed, etc.
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (vLGrok)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vLGrok</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're right and wrong, but mostly right.<p>Street racing is not inherently stupid, and it can be illegal.<br>However, STUPID street racing is stupid.<p>The Grok guide to street racing:<p>Never endanger anyone, including yourself.<br>Never race on a street that is unsafe.<br>Unsafe means lots of things, line of sight, debris, traction, etc.<p>Never race stupid people.<br>Never race an obvious win or loss. There's no point, its not fun or even satisfying.<p>I raced an M3 the other night on the interstate. We both waited until we had clear LOS, two clear lanes, no traffic, and in the 3 runs we backed off when the winner was determined.<p>"Legal" is another matter. Legality varies by province, even mile-by-mile. Speed laws are obscure as well. But that's a discussion for another forum, another time.<p>Glad you survived your brain fart. Now set some rules for yourself.<br>One more thing, if you join your local autocross chapter of SCCA, you can get your "hot driving" fix once or twice a month, plus you get to compete against other good drivers and make some friends too.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am most definitely not a fan of street racing, but I have to say these are darn good rules. Tough part is how certain you can be, at high speeds, of what is up the road and therefore how much risk you are exposing others to.
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (23109VC)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>23109VC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>In virtually every US jurisdictions, most forms of speed contests, reckless driving, or other similar actions are considered violations of the law - usually misdemeanors, punishable with up to a year in jail and fines up to $1000. <p>I doubt you can find a state in the USA where it is legal to engage in a speed contest on a public road.<p>I should know...look at my SS handle.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>23109VC = Section 23109 of the Vehicle Code (CA). Speed Contests, Exhibition of Speed, etc. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's great, but I don't live in any US jurisdiction. I live in one of the sovereign states. A US jurisdiction, that of the United States, pretty much means The District of Columbia (the only place you will find United States Citizens -- everywhere else in the continental US you have American citizens), and federal reserve lands within states borders. So is 23109 the vehicle code of the US, or of all 50 state codes, or all 50000 county/city codes? What about other nations? Indeed, then if street racing is inherently stupid because of its legality, then it would need to be illegal everywhere for the statement to have merit. But what I wanted to argue was whether street racing was inherently stupid, not whether it was legal or not in this or that county, province, or nation. This forum has a good number of intelligent people with which to hold such a discussion.
 

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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid! (Eric_H)

Eric, Good for you for stepping up and admitting a mistake. I think many out there could learn a thing or two about that. As someone who has seen a sibling and friends die too young, I can say that it simply isn't worth it. Take care.
 
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