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Have my car in for service right now-- rattling from front end, i could visually see that the passenger side strut mount in the engine bay was shot and the strut was compressible by hand (its sticking into the engine bay about an inch). also seems that i have a worn swaybar end link. didnt hit anything, its been getting slowly worse and worse over the course of a month or so.<p>what has me worried is that i just got a call from the dealer asking me how hard the car was hit-- they mistook the scotchcal molding treatment for a repaint.<br>i'm a little worried they're now trying to find a way to not cover this under warranty.... they havent advised me of any non warranty repairs
 

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Re: strut mount and endlink-- known failure points? (SilverS60RNYC)

Join the party...example number 1<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=63525" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=63525</A>
 

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Re: strut mount and endlink-- known failure points? (SilverS60RNYC)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SilverS60RNYC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> also seems that i have a worn swaybar end link. didnt hit anything, its been getting slowly worse and worse over the course of a month or so.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The OEM endlink is very weak and known to fail over time, in case you are not covered, IPD sold a much beefer replacement or you can go all out and get one from QBM<p><A HREF="http://ipdusa.com/ProductsCat.aspx?CategoryID=1773&NodeID=5527&RootID=629" TARGET="_blank">http://ipdusa.com/ProductsCat....D=629</A><br><A HREF="http://quickbrickmotorsports.com/prod_endlink.html" TARGET="_blank">http://quickbrickmotorsports.com/prod_endlink.html</A><p>
 

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Re: strut mount and endlink-- known failure points? (05s60r)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>05s60r</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The OEM endlink is very weak and known to fail over time, in case you are not covered, IPD sold a much beefer replacement or you can go all out and get one from QBM<p><A HREF="http://ipdusa.com/ProductsCat.aspx?CategoryID=1773&NodeID=5527&RootID=629" TARGET="_blank">http://ipdusa.com/ProductsCat....D=629</A><br><A HREF="http://quickbrickmotorsports.com/prod_endlink.html" TARGET="_blank">http://quickbrickmotorsports.com/prod_endlink.html</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>i'm going to be <B>pissed</B> if this isnt covered under warranty. i have no suspension mods, nothing that would cause this failure other than crappy design/parts by volvo.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SilverS60RNYC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>i'm going to be <B>pissed</B> if this isnt covered under warranty. i have no suspension mods, nothing that would cause this failure other than crappy design/parts by volvo.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, it failed on my 850 (around 41K miles - out of warranty) and 02 s60awd (< 30K - covered by warranty), both vehicles are stock with absolutely no mod to the suspension or tires. Our roads are bad here, maybe that has something to do with it.
 

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Re: strut mount and endlink-- known failure points? (SilverS60RNYC)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SilverS60RNYC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>i'm going to be <B>pissed</B> if this isnt covered under warranty. i have no suspension mods, nothing that would cause this failure other than crappy design/parts by volvo.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you have no mods, there should be no reason for them to deny you warranty coverage. If they try to claim that your car has been hit / repaired, show them your tape mod and ask them to search for any repair history. If your car has been subject to a claim, it's in the system. You can even give them the number of your insurance company. <p>If they don't believe you, call VCNA and complain.
 

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Re: strut mount and endlink-- known failure points? (SilverS60RNYC)

i lost one of my strut mounts at 100k right after replacing the strut's with Bilsteins HD's. I also had the endlinks replaced at the same time with EVOLVE. now i'm replacing the EVOLVES with QBM; a much better product! replacing the endlinks are easy.
 

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Re: strut mount and endlink-- known failure points? (SilverS60RNYC)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SilverS60RNYC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have my car in for service right now-- rattling from front end, i could visually see that the passenger side strut mount in the engine bay was shot and the strut was compressible by hand (its sticking into the engine bay about an inch). also seems that i have a worn swaybar end link. didnt hit anything, its been getting slowly worse and worse over the course of a month or so.<p>what has me worried is that i just got a call from the dealer asking me how hard the car was hit-- they mistook the scotchcal molding treatment for a repaint.<br>i'm a little worried they're now trying to find a way to not cover this under warranty.... they havent advised me of any non warranty repairs</TD></TR></TABLE><p>whew... no problems at getting everything covered.... very happy with this new dealer so far.<p>i'm a little dismayed at all the parts that are bad that have been/will be replaced.... 33K on the clock<p>swaybar links, shock seat, and BOTH front struts. if i was out of warranty, this would be a 2K+ repair job with labor.<p><br>
 

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Re: strut mount and endlink-- known failure points? (SilverS60RNYC)

When you say "rattling", are you referring to a loose clunky sensation over bumps, when accelerating from a stop, etc.? I can feel this clunking sensation slightly through the body of the car, but most prominently through the steering wheel. The problem is worse during hot weather, which leads me to believe there is a bad bushing or mount in there somewhere. <p>I have the above issue(s) and have brought it to my dealer's attention three times. Each time they return the car saying this is normal "play" in the suspension. This sounds like BS to me.<p>Just curious if this sounds like the same symptoms you had prior to the repair. Out of curiosity, are they fixing the problem with updated parts?<p>- Tryg
 

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Re: strut mount and endlink-- known failure points? (SilverS60RNYC)

Should be under warranty.<br>The rougher the roads (NYC), the faster and more often they will need to be replaced
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SilverS60RNYC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>whew... no problems at getting everything covered.... very happy with this new dealer so far.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Which dealer?
 

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Re: strut mount and endlink-- known failure points? (mike_c70)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mike_c70</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BOTH??? May I ask what the dealer's diagnosis was?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>other than completely worn out shocks, end links, and a hosed mount, i dont have specifics. my SA said all of the above were normal for an R with my mileage in NYC.<br>
 

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Re: strut mount and endlink-- known failure points? (RainyS60R)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RainyS60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When you say "rattling", are you referring to a loose clunky sensation over bumps, when accelerating from a stop, etc.? I can feel this clunking sensation slightly through the body of the car, but most prominently through the steering wheel. The problem is worse during hot weather, which leads me to believe there is a bad bushing or mount in there somewhere. <p>- Tryg</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i still have the rattling for now-- they have only replaced the end links and shock mount, the shocks are on order.<p>this started about a month ago with a clunking that you could feel through the body of the car that seemed to go away after a few miles of driving. it got steadily worse untill every time i hit any disturbance in the road, it sounded like something was really loose in the front end. you could feel the clunking through the steeringwheel. but it didnt seem to handle any worse than before.<p>
 

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Re: strut mount and endlink-- known failure points? (needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Which dealer?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>jury is still out-- i'm going to wait to render final judgement untill after the problem is resolved, but so far so good<p>Martins volvo on 11th ave.<p>i'll post an update next week when the struts come in and they finish the repair.<br>
 

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Re: strut mount and endlink-- known failure points? (SilverS60RNYC)

Well, all is fixed, two front struts replaced, the broken spring seat replaced, new endlinks and a check of all the bushings.<br>no more rattling, and they did a sum recal so everything is groovy. much much happier with this dealer than the one i retailed it from.<p>its still getting the heave-ho in may, way too expensive to keep out of warranty and not reliable enough to hedge against TCO<p>definately recommend Martins Volvo in manhattan<br>
 

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Damn, that's my problem too - your description matches mine to a "T". My only problem is a dealer that continues to tell me it's "normal play in the suspension" after three separate visits. I can't believe these guys!<p>If I understand you correctly, it was the spring seat that caused the most trouble (?). Makes sense.<p>Uggghhh.... I'm going to try another dealer for the next oil change and will bring up this problem in the hopes that they care enough to properly diagnose and repair. Wish me luck.<p>Thanks - Tryg
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SilverS60RNYC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>swaybar links, shock seat, and BOTH front struts. if i was out of warranty, this would be a 2K+ repair job with labor.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm surprised they lasted THAT long in NYC.<br>Top mounts fail from 25K to 60K. Sway bar links about the same<br>All depends on the roads, in FL they may never fail, in NYC and Detroit, they may fail at 12K miles, really.<br>This is NOT uncommon but the <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> part of the deal is that the same parts have been failing since 1993 when the 850 came into production.<br>We all know that all these parts can be made stronger, (ipd's end links, EVERYONE'S aftermarket top mounts, etc.
 

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Is there any way that I can partially diagnose these problems in my garage before heading to the dealer, so I at least have some added ammunition? For instance, can I twist the spring to tell if there is a problem with the spring seat or strut mount? I'm handy, but suspension diagnosis is not in my bag of tricks (yet).<p>- Tryg
 

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Re: strut mount and endlink-- known failure points? (RainyS60R)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RainyS60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is there any way that I can partially diagnose these problems in my garage before heading to the dealer, so I at least have some added ammunition? For instance, can I twist the spring to tell if there is a problem with the spring seat or strut mount? I'm handy, but suspension diagnosis is not in my bag of tricks (yet).<p>- Tryg</TD></TR></TABLE><p>on mine it was obvious, the top of the strut mount was loose and sticking into the engine bay by about an inch. i could press down and compress the strut with my bare hand.<p>i suspect that once the spring seat began to fail, it took all the other parts with it (excluding the good old swaybar endlinks)<p><br>kicking the tire would result in a clattering from all the loose parts.<p>
 
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