Re: Start...Shudder...Stall...Re-Start...Runs OK...No CEL (FlyByT5)

My problem stopped one day after I did the following by accident:

1) Start car. Car dies on its own
2) Start car again and wait a few seconds and turn off engine before idle goes to normal
3) Start car and drive like normal.

I'm hoping somebody else with this problem to try it. I would try it myself but it's not happening to me anymore. I didn't even get a chance to show my dealer.

I think mullman is already using regular 87 octane fuel and that seems to solved his problem. Currently I don't want to go that route yet.

 

Re: Start...Shudder...Stall...Re-Start...Runs OK...No CEL (FlyByT5)

I'm having same problems.......!
no answer from dealer, no answer from Volvo
I'm still waiting for field tech to come to florida.....( almost 3 weeks waiting)
and blame gasoline grades, doesn't make sense......! BS...!

 

Just started having this problem a few days ago, does it everytime the car sits overnight....

 

Re: (skibum)

Yup, me too. Yay, we all have the same problem!

 

Re: (lucid696)

I've only had my car for 1200 miles now but mine did it after doing a 300+ mile all-highway trip then shutting it off overnight. The next morning it exhibited the described symptoms but hasn't done it again since.

 

Re: (osNomad)

My car did this about three days in a row about six months ago. It's never done it since.

 

Re: Start...Shudder...Stall...Re-Start...Runs OK...No CEL (volvoNB)

Quote, originally posted by volvoNB »

My problem stopped one day after I did the following by accident: 1) Start car. Car dies on its own 2) Start car again and wait a few seconds and turn off engine before idle goes to normal 3) Start car and drive like normal. I'm hoping somebody else with this problem to try it. I would try it myself but it's not happening to me anymore. I didn't even get a chance to show my dealer. I think mullman is already using regular 87 octane fuel and that seems to solved his problem. Currently I don't want to go that route yet.

I'm actually still running through the tank of premium that was in there when the dealer looked at the car. I'll be filling up with regular in the next day or so just to see. Although maybe I'll try your method first. Incidentally, my car generally doesn't die after that rough start. Probably only one time in four -- usually, it hesitates and shudders like crazy, and then "catches" and everything is normal.

 

Re: Start...Shudder...Stall...Re-Start...Runs OK...No CEL (FlyByT5)

US 05 T5 running with 93 octane. Stalls on first start for cold starts. Start immediately after. (Very odd to see this because it just started on me everyday - once in the morning and once at night.) Could this be climate related? Temperature just hit over 90 here, and it could be related. Very interested in what you all find.

 

It hasnt happened to me and it has been as High as 101* here in the last few weeks.

I run 89 Octane per dealer request. And I only use Exxon/Mobil gas. I have let my car sit overnight, over the weekend, for 10 hours a day in the parking garage, etc.

I have about 1300 miles on it

 

Re: (VelociTee5)

Quote, originally posted by VelociTee5 »

I run 89 Octane per dealer request.

Curious: did they give a reason for this request?

 

Re: (VelociTee5)

I've been using mostly BP premium gas in mine and I have about 6800miles on it. No problems and it's been parked outside since day one in below freezing to hot summer midwest temperatures. But I haven't driven it for 11 days. I've been in Italy- not too many S40s out there. And I can see why- their Alfa Romeos are so sexy.

 

Re: (eurotrash)

Had this a couple of times, on cold start. I blamed myself -a feeling was that I disengaged the starter a little too soon and the engine had no chance to really pickup, thus alternator wasn't spinnig fast enough and let the engine die. I might be wrong though, I'm taking the car for the 12K service this weekent and going to report the issue, but honestly I doubt they are going to find (look for?) anything

 

Re: (d_man)

i use only Exxon or Shell 93...It happens to me 4-5 times a week. They are replacing the CEM in my car on monday as a result of not only this problem, but many many others...Refer to my thread for more info...

Whenever it happens, my girlfriend thinks its the funniest thing ever since i get so frustrated every time...

 

Re: (d_man)

I thought the exact same thing as d_man, where I would release the key before the ignition would fully engage - has happened 3 times now... Didn't know it was a widespread problem... I have 3500 miles, got the car in July 04.

 

Re: (xavier)

I have a '04.5 T5 with about 8k miles on it (1yr. driving) and started experiencing this same thing at about 7k miles. Had it in a couple of weeks back for scheduled service and they could not find anything. However, after getting it back after service it got worse and the check engine light came on last week. So I dropped it off on Monday, and they were having a hard time figuring out what was wrong as the check engine light went off. My service tech called tonight and told me that one of the fuel injectors was bad (I think that is what he told me tonight). I also discovered a funny 'grinding' sound coming from the front end at low speeds. They took it for a spin and also hear the noise, but are having trouble identifying what is making the noise. Likely will not get the car back until next week. Not a big deal as they have provided a loaner.

Want to point out that my dealer and service department are fantastic. Overall has been a great first year with the car, and still love it!

 

I really don't think any of us are releasing the key too early, let me tell you why. The other day when I was expecting this to happen in the morning, I just held the key in the start position. As I was doing so, the engine did the sputter thing, then it was almost as if the car gave up trying to start for a milli-second after which it started right up. VERY strange....

 

Mine is doing this. When I searched around the forums, I found something on the S60 board that said:

- Turn the key to position II
- Wait for a few seconds (basically until the headlights came on)
- Then start like normal

It hasn't done it since I've started the waiting game.

The thread I read said something about priming the fuel system??

I don't really know if that's what does it, but it seems to work. Still shouldnt have to do it, but hey, beats having the car die and restart.

 

Re: (DaveGA)

Quote, originally posted by DaveGA »

Mine is doing this. When I searched around the forums, I found something on the S60 board that said: - Turn the key to position II - Wait for a few seconds (basically until the headlights came on) - Then start like normal It hasn't done it since I've started the waiting game. The thread I read said something about priming the fuel system?? I don't really know if that's what does it, but it seems to work. Still shouldnt have to do it, but hey, beats having the car die and restart.

This hasn't happened to me as of yet *knock on wood*. But it has happened on my '97 Dodge Stratus. I do the same thing that DaveGA describes in the Stratus everytime and it doesn't do it. I do believe it does have something to do with the fuel system. Not saying turning the key to II has anything to do with fuel. It's quite awkward. The Stratus has 140k miles on it.

Give the "waiting game" a try and see if it works for you guys on the S40

 

Re: (DaveGA)

Maybe this waiting game would work, but I don't think that it's an acceptable solution to the problem... especially since it hadn't stalled during my first 9 months of start-ups. Not to mention that it creates excessive cycling of the bi-xenons. Anyway, I'm dropping-off my car at the dealer again today afterwork, so I'll keep you posted on any progress.

 

Re: (VolvoINSIDE)

VolvoINSIDE, I can see why it's working for Dodge- I suppose it's because fuel pump takes a couple of seconds to build up pressure in the fuel line. I'm not sure how it works in Volvo but I suspect there's no high pressure in the line -I recently replaced a fuel filter in my S70 and its connection is certainly not capable to hold any excessive pressure, it'll leak. Based on the fact it's not leaking - I trust there's no high pressure here.
BTW, it stalled on me this morning again. Taking it to the dealer this weekend

 

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It looks like everyone reporting this problem so far has a T5... perhaps not surprising. If there are any 2.4i owners with the problem, please raise your hand! That might be useful data.

 

Re: (d_man)

I've got a technical diagram & description of the S40 fuel system and it makes no mention of a pump in the system anywhere except in the fuel tank. So if a check valve to hold pressure anywhere in the system doesn't seal perfectly You could be experiencing fuel starvation until the pump gets the system pressure built back up which could take a second or two. You need more fuel to start a car than to idle the engine.... I wouldn't discount the fact this could be the problem. Plus there are some subtle differences between the fuel system between the T5 & 2.4i's so this could explain why the 2.4i's aren't having the problem.
Guess Volvo should put a "Wait to Start" light in the dash like I have in My diesel pickup for the glow plugs.

 

Re: Re: (mullmann)

I have a 2.4i with 1850+ miles and have not experienced this problem...at least not yet. However, I do have the typical high RPMs and loud idle when first starting. This lasts for about 5 to 10 seconds and then the RPMs drop, the engine quiets down and everything is normal. As far as I understand this is normal and not an issue.

 

Re: Re: (CINCYFAN)

Thank God I am not the only one with this problem. After I brought my T5 in for the 7500-mile scheduled service, the tech ran out as I was driving off and told me to downgrade to 87 octane. I thought he was crazy, but maybe I will give it a shot. It is tough to justify why my $30k+ Volvo takes two tries to start, but my wifes '02 Saturn starts on the first time, every time. I am bringing it back in next week and will keep all informed.

 

Re: Re: (Baghdaddy)

1500 miles on my s40 T5 and I experience the same problem, and it only happens when the car sits for more then 1 day. I have always ran 93 octane fuel and always put the key in pos 2 and wait about 5-10 secs before fully turning the key. This has never helped me.