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Looking around on Vector website , <A HREF="http://www.vectorautotuning.com/s60_20t24t" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vectorautotuning.com/s60_20t24t</A> , I see that the AWD model for 2002 doesn't have the option for the 3" Downpipe or 19T turbo.<p>Basically I already have the intake and cat back, I was hoping to upgrade the turbo, downpipe, ECU and injectors but need to work around my AWD. I imagine the only difference if there is one is the downpipe, maybe custom DP or PHUZ DP if that fits the AWD model.<p>Has anyone been able to fit an aftermarket 3" DP on an non R AWD model?<p>Please leave any comments or helpful tips or information as I am trying to get this all sorted out before summer.<p>Thanks,<p>NJGB
 

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Get a Phuz DP and you can fit any TDH04L turbo on your car so the 19t will fit with out a problem <p>I would alos suggest upgrading your Exhuast mani to the S60R one also . <p>Runs around $250 shipped for one on VS . <p>AWD is AWD so any part that works on the R works on your car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Stage 4 2002 2.4T AWD options.....19T, 3" DP, BSR PPC, Green Injectors? (NJGreenBudd)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>NJGreenBudd</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Has anyone been able to fit an aftermarket 3" DP on an non R AWD model?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am atleast 90% on BSRs main site I saw they had a 3" DP listed for the AWD.
 

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Cool, I'm checking into the Phuz DP....<p>So mods would include the 'R' Exhaust Manifold, Phuz DP, 19T Turbo, BSR PPC, Green Injectors plus the K&N Intake, EST 'R' Model Cat-back Exhaust and IPD HD TCV that I already have installed.<p><br>But if this all makes for around 310hp and 336ftlbs, how is my transmission/angle gear going to hold up? I noticed on BSR's main site they list the Stage 4 as only available for manual gearbox cars, is there a good reason for this?<p>I was also reading that the BSR PPC changes don't even take effect until 60% throttle, so most of the time you would still be at stock power levels. Maybe by avoiding full throttle starts you could prolong trans life? My commute is +110 miles of highway, very little stop and go traffic.<p><br>Also, what's the max psi that the stock intercooler is good for on the 2.4T? What boost levels do you expect the BSR tune to run the 19T at? More than likely best to go FMIC as well huh?<p><br><i>Modified by NJGreenBudd at 10:58 PM 4-25-2009</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by NJGreenBudd at 2:44 PM 4-26-2009</i>
 

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the reason they do NOT list a stage 4(19t) for the 2.4t is because it is an LPT motor, low pressure turbo engines have slightly higher compression than HPTs do.<p>Since the rods are weak on these motors and since the LPT has a high compression ratio, it causes the turbo to spool up faster. That sounds great, actually it is, but not on your motor. <p>Since it spools up so soon in the rev range it can and most likely WILL bend rods on your motor.
 

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That's not the case, they clearly list Stage 4 packages for the 2.4T on that page that I linked to:<p><IMG SRC="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b359/NJGreenBudd/Stg4kit.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>I was talking to Mike from Vector Auto Tuning and he said:<p>They do not list the Stage 4 for the <I>2.4T AWD</I> because the 2.4T FWD downpipe doesn't fit with the AWD. However, there are ways around this. Supposedly the R model downpipes fit the 2.4T AWD no problem, either one from Vector or one from Phuz.<p>The rods should benefit from the fact that the BSR tune only affects the map over 60% throttle, the rpms will already be up there a bit. I also don't plan on racing my motor, more for my transmission's sake than the motor but still going to take it easy.<p>I don't expect the drive train to appreciate the drastic increase in hp and tq, I'm already replacing the angle gear collar as preventative measure. The trans has been good so far and had a flush at 75,000 so hopefully it holds up for a while.
 

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FWD downpipe will not fit a AWD car <br>But a AWD Downpipe will fit a AWD or FWD car. <p>So just buy the AWD DP for a AWD car and your golden .. <p>
 

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Re: (NJGreenBudd)

I remember asking Frank at EST about their R downpipe and he said it would fit the 2.4T AWD.<p>I have the stage 1+ RICA tune from EST, and have the catback on backorder. Eventually I'll order the 3"dp from EST and get the RICA stage 3 tune.<p>Since you already have the EST intake and catback, you might want to look at the stage 3 tune from EST. Not as much hp as the stage 4 you've been researching but its an option.
 

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Re: (S60AM)

Do not buy any of the 2x2 style exhaust systems. They do not flow nearly as well as a 3" exhaust will. Just take your car to a good exhaust shop and have them make you a 3" system from the downpipe back.
 

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This may have been addressed since i didnt read the full thread but BSR doesn't play nice with downpipes
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GiRaff3</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do not buy any of the 2x2 style exhaust systems. They do not flow nearly as well as a 3" exhaust will. Just take your car to a good exhaust shop and have them make you a 3" system from the downpipe back.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>2x2" has total 6.3 sq in cross section while 3" has 7 sq in. But there's always the argument about exhaust velocity vs volumetric flow rate, ground clearance, drone blah blah blah. I think he got a 2x2 already anyways. <p>Just to throw another option out there, you can always get a good custom tune from an ME7 tuner. Tony @ eplabs is supposed to be Bosch master. A few S60R guys , a guy on VS with a 400hp 850, and countless VAG people have gone to him. Right up in CT <A HREF="http://www.eplabs.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.eplabs.net</A>/
 

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Right, I already have the EST 'R' Catback installed on my 2.4T AWD.<p>I am definitely going to start with the BRS PPC tuned for intake and catback, then add then R exhaust manifold, 19T Turbo, 3" PhuzDP, and Green Injectors. At that point I will have them send me new maps for the BSR PPC to address the higher boost.<p>Though a local tune from CT is another option to look into, thanks.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chilled Man</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Get a Phuz DP and you can fit any TDH04L turbo on your car so the 19t will fit with out a problem <p>I would alos suggest upgrading your Exhuast mani to the S60R one also . <p>Runs around $250 shipped for one on VS . <p>AWD is AWD so any part that works on the R works on your car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>So, just to clarify, the Phuz DP works for either straight or angled flanged TD04HL turbos? My 13G is straight and I was thinking about running the DP and BSR tune first without the 19T. The Phuz site says it fits all the 2.5T, T5 and R models......I asked them and they initially said yes but to check on here while they made sure.
 

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just another option.<p><A HREF="http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.mte.se%2Fproduct.asp%3Fproduct%3D36&sl=sv&tl=en" TARGET="_blank">http://translate.google.com/tr...tl=en</A><br>
 
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