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<B>Source:</B><BR><I>Edmunds.Com<BR>By: Neil Dunlop<BR>Last updated: 2001-11-13</I><P><B>A Good Car Whose Time Has Come and Gone</B><P> <IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/spinaroundtown/02.volvo.v40/01.volvo.v40.f34.500.jpg"> <P><B><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/spin/47805/article.html" TARGET=_blank>Spin Around Town, 2002 Volvo V40!</A></B><P>-Drew
 

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I have to agree with the reviewer - on everything but the price.<P>For me the price tag of the V40 was about 20% less than the Passat GLS and a lot less than an Audi or BMW. Mine cost the same as a Jetta GLX sedan worked out to be. The wagon isn't available here yet. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/frown.gif"><P>The reviews on the V40 tend to be very good but always detract on price. What are the cost of the car vs. the Passat or BMW 3 series in the US?<P>
 

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Well, the car that Edmunds tested priced out at $27, 825 USD, which is a pretty much loaded V40. The 02' VW Passat GLS V6 Wagon with 4motion AWD, 5-speed TipTronic, and Leather comes out to about $29,925 USD. The 02' VW Jetta GLX V6 Wagon fully loaded with every option comes to about $27,525 USD. The 02' BMW 325i Sport Wagon starts at $29,500 USD and can climb to a ridiculous $41,920 USD loaded. Considering all this, the loaded V40 doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/biggrin.gif"><P>-Drew
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by InDy:<BR><B>Well, the car that Edmunds tested priced out at $27, 825 USD, which is a pretty much loaded V40. The 02' VW Passat GLS V6 Wagon with 4motion AWD, 5-speed TipTronic, and Leather comes out to about $29,925 USD. The 02' VW Jetta GLX V6 Wagon fully loaded with every option comes to about $27,525 USD. The 02' BMW 325i Sport Wagon starts at $29,500 USD and can climb to a ridiculous $41,920 USD loaded. Considering all this, the loaded V40 doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/biggrin.gif"><P>-Drew</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>I will take their review with a grain of salt; first of all, the guy who reviewed it was not educated on the car (wrote that car had...DSTC!) and also contradicted himself (in the review he claimed that the car had adequate power while on the "cons" he listed..."weak engine"--are you ****ting me?)...Then, he goes on the claim that the Jetta 1.8T has more HP...is that guy a real car guy or a moron? Since when HP mattered when it came to acceleration? I have engaged in quite a few "skirmishes" with A4 1.8Ts and Jettas with the "new" and "improved" 1.8T and believe me, NONE has beaten the S40 or V40 that I was driving. Has that "expert" ever really driven that 1.8T? The WHINING engine noise is horrible compared to that of the S40 under full throttle...Anyway, don't get me started...very few of those journalists are real car evaluators...the rest are weekend warriors.<P>Yannis<BR><P>
 

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Yikes, well I'll weigh in on this anyway. I didn't read the review, but I've spent seat time in the S40, Jetta 1.8T (150hp) with automatic, Jetta 1.8T (180hp) wiht tiptronic and manual versions of both 1.8T motors. <P>The 150hp motors felt about the same as the S40 in acceleration (don't shoot me <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"> ) though I have to say the 180hp 1.8T with tiptronic felt stronger. This could be partially because you can control gear changes with Tiptronic. <P>In the US, the closer price comparison for the S/V40 is the Jetta. The Passat is closer to the V70 in size, though it is somewhere between on price. The A4 and 3-series sedans anyway compete more with the S60.<P>We're working on a comparison article between the S40 and the Jetta 1.8T. It's a close match. We tested a 150hp 2001 at the same time as the S40, and since then have driven the 2002 with 180hp and Tiptronic.<P>I have to say that the 40-series is an older platform, and the newer Jetta has features such as steering wheel controls for the stereo, Tiptronic, manual tranny availability and a real sport suspension package with 17" wheels that make it quite attractive. With the Volvo you'll get a little bit more snob factor, more brand exclusivity (less 40s on the road vs. the Jetta which is quite common) and with Volvo dealers you usually have better customer service. <P>The 40 has a trip computer, and you need to buy the GLX VW for that.<P>They both have strengths I think, but I'd hate to say it on a Volvo forum, until they come out with the new 40/50 the Jetta is a very attractive package.<P>With a GLX wagon you get a VR6 and automatic climate control in addition to other luxury goodies. While I've owned VR6s before, and have also spent seat time in a GLX wagon, I have to say that I'm not as fond of it. While much more refined than either of the 4cyl motors available from Volvo or VW, it also sucks gas down with only marginal improvement in performance over the 1.8T. It does have all the amenities though.<P>BTW, I don't think Canada is getting a Jetta wagon are they?
 

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I was told that Canada is supposed to be getting the wagon although it was supposed to arrive late in the summer so who knows.<P>I tried the Jetta and didn't like it it seemed a lot smaller in the back than an S40. The other thing that was a plus for the Volvo was the comfort of the seats - the VW's were way too stiff. If I had gone with a VW it would have been a diesel Golf and then get a larger wagon once the baby was bigger.<P>I didn't find the difference in size between the Passat and the V40 all that noticeable. And I didn't like the Passat wagon's styling - the lift gate was too straight for me. I actually prefered the previous generation's styling.<P>The real kicker was that Volvo would allow me to custom order my car, VW wouldn't.<P>I didn't want a performance car - more of a fun to drive family car. If you want a street racer I'd have to agree that the Jetta is a better way to go - a lot more after market options.<P>Does the Jetta wagon cost more than the sedan?<P>It's odd that the Volvo's run so much in the US. A loaded V40 here has an MSRP of $39K, using the current exchange rate the US price would be $25.3K. The VW pricing seemed to be in line but Volvo's were cheaper in Canada for whatever reason.<P>A Passat GLX with 4motion is $45K here, about the same as a V70 2.4T. <P>Off topic question - I seem not to be getting a cookie on my PC - I always have to login which I didn't before and the view of the forums doesn't show me what's new properly. Any advice?<P>
 

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That's a good point about special ordering. I'm going to include that in the article.<P>Interior dimensions on the Passat are closer to the V70.<P>As for the cookie, do you have to log in the for the first post or all posts? If all posts, it shouldn't be like that. Try clearing your Temporary Internet Files including cookies and then posting.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dghamilt:<BR><B>The other thing that was a plus for the Volvo was the comfort of the seats - the VW's were way too stiff.<BR></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>One thing that no other manufacturer can touch is Volvo seat comfort, that is for sure IMHO. Pretty imporatant consideration, considering that is where you will be spending all of your time. I have this brochure that states that they are designed by Swedish Orthopedic Surgeons, and manufactured by Lear. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><P>-Drew<P>
 

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That the seats are made by Lear reminds me of the counter argument I make when people say the car isn't a 'real' Volvo since it shares a platform with a Mitsubushi. All the bits and pieces of cars now are outsourced to Lear or Magna etc. Even Mercedes use 3rd party parts - the M-series has stuff from AC Delco.<P>What is a real Volvo or MB or GM car. The only value that the car company adds anymore is the design, marketing and final assembly.<P>The other thing that I don't like to see in reviews or 'should I buy a...' postings is a fixation on horsepower or top speed. Most people don't drive to the limit and I'd much rather arrive confortable then arrive stiff & sore all over in a car with 5 more horses under the hood. <P><P>
 
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