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A little guessing about the capabilities of the all-electric XC40 due out later this year. Guessing better than 280 miles range with 100 kWh battery pack, and 150 KW charging capability, which means it can charge about 220 miles for 30 minutes on an ultra-fast charger.

"......this week at the SAE 2017 Hybrid and Electric Vehicle Technologies Symposium in San Diego, the company reaffirmed that the first all-electric Volvo car will be available in 2019 and confirmed that the platform could support battery packs up to 100 kWh.

The vehicle will be the first all-electric from the automaker and third plug-in since it already sells the XC90 and it plans to bring another PHEV to market next year, according to Mats Anderson, Senior Director of Electric Propulsion Systems at Volvo.

But we are more interested in the new all-electric platform.

Reporting on Anderson speaking at the symposium, Green Car Congress wrote:

To enable the cost-effective production of a range of BEVs meeting different requirements, Volvo is developing the Modular Electrification Platform (MEP)—a set of modular building blocks for electrification than will allow Volvo to deliver vehicles ranging between 100 – 450 kW of propulsive power, with battery packs of up to 100 kWh in size.

A 100 kWh battery pack can enable over 300 miles of range depending on the efficiency of the vehicle. It’s likely to be only a high-end option, like Tesla currently offers in the Model S and X. Smaller battery packs are often sufficient for most use cases."

https://electrek.co/2017/02/09/volvo-first-all-electric-vehicle-2019/

Plus the specs on the Polestar 2 show a capability of 150 KW ultra-fast charging.

https://ev-database.org/car/1170/Polestar-2

I can't wait to get either my all-electric XC60 or XC90 due out in a couple of years.
 

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Car and Driver says in a recent review article (two months ago -- much more recent that what you are referring to, above):
"Like the XC40, the [Polestar] 2 rides on Volvo's *mid-size Compact Modular Architecture (CMA), though this electrified version of the platform accommodates a large lithium-*ion battery pack beneath the floor. The unit has 27 modules and can store up to 78.0 kilowatt-hours. ...
Polestar says the [Polestar] 2 will be capable of a sub-five-second zero-to-60-mph time and is targeting a 275-mile range under the EPA's testing methodology. While respectable, those numbers fall short of the Tesla Model 3 Performance; that car hits 60 mph in 3.5 seconds and has a 310-mile EPA range."

Definitive charging times don't seem to be determined/announced yet.
So Volvo doesn't seem to be anywhere close to a 100-kWh battery pack yet; they are behind the competition in both PHEV range/technology and EV range, unfortunately.
 

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I thought that battery safety now should be more important than miles to travel. :)

I'll take the PHEV XC40 any day.

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Car and Driver says in a recent review article (two months ago -- much more recent that what you are referring to, above):
"Like the XC40, the [Polestar] 2 rides on Volvo's *mid-size Compact Modular Architecture (CMA), though this electrified version of the platform accommodates a large lithium-*ion battery pack beneath the floor. The unit has 27 modules and can store up to 78.0 kilowatt-hours. ...
Polestar says the [Polestar] 2 will be capable of a sub-five-second zero-to-60-mph time and is targeting a 275-mile range under the EPA's testing methodology. While respectable, those numbers fall short of the Tesla Model 3 Performance; that car hits 60 mph in 3.5 seconds and has a 310-mile EPA range."

Definitive charging times don't seem to be determined/announced yet.
So Volvo doesn't seem to be anywhere close to a 100-kWh battery pack yet; they are behind the competition in both PHEV range/technology and EV range, unfortunately.
I sat in a Model X recently as the sales person explained the tech. I was very impressed with the tech, but the Model X seat was atrocious. Deal killer for me. For long rides, I have to have Volvo seats. I'm not even sure my back would start aching after less than an hour in a Tesla seat. My wife thought the interior was cheap. That doesn't bother me, but deal killer for her. ... Sorry, but 275 miles is good my purposes, and Andersen did say that the battery pack could be 100 kWh. ... And I could care less about a sub 4 second 0 to 60 time.

And for your viewing pleasure, the Electrify America system with 150 KW and 350 KW chargers all along the interstates, mostly built within the last year.

https://www.plugshare.com/
 

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Another soource says 100 kWh in Volvo's first EV.

"Volvo announced back in October 2015 plans to hybridize its entire range and launch a pure electric model in 2019. Now, the Geely-owned marque has released more info about the latter, saying it will have a battery pack with a sizeable capacity of 100 kWh. Details about how much range the car will be able to provide have not been disclosed, but it’s safe to say it will have enough juice for at least 300 miles (482 kilometers) between charges. The Tesla Model S 100D for example, which has a 100-kWh battery, is rated at 351 miles (565 km)."

https://www.motor1.com/news/135862/volvo-ev-100kwh-battery-2019/

And this was interesting. Even if not 100 kWh, the XC40 might have a greater all-electric range than the Polestar 2.

"Power ratings projected for the electric XC40 aren’t yet available. The XC40’s platform-sibling Polestar 2 is rated at 408 horsepower and 487 lb ft of torque, with 275 miles of range. Since Volvo projects a more sedate brand image than Polestar, assuming it uses the same battery pack you can expect the battery powered XC40 to have less power, and potentially greater range."

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/04/04/xc40-first-all-electric-volvo
 

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Has anyone heard of the Modular Electrification Platform? Green Car Congress says it's a Volvo program. I thought that was a VW platform.

"To enable the cost-effective production of a range of BEVs meeting different requirements, Volvo is developing the Modular Electrification Platform (MEP)—a set of modular building blocks for electrification than will allow Volvo to deliver vehicles ranging between 100 - 450 kW of propulsive power, with battery packs of up to 100 kWh in size."

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2017/02/20170209-volvo.html
 

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Another soource says 100 kWh in Volvo's first EV.

"Volvo announced back in October 2015 plans to hybridize its entire range and launch a pure electric model in 2019. Now, the Geely-owned marque has released more info about the latter, saying it will have a battery pack with a sizeable capacity of 100 kWh. Details about how much range the car will be able to provide have not been disclosed, but it’s safe to say it will have enough juice for at least 300 miles (482 kilometers) between charges. The Tesla Model S 100D for example, which has a 100-kWh battery, is rated at 351 miles (565 km)."

https://www.motor1.com/news/135862/volvo-ev-100kwh-battery-2019/

And this was interesting. Even if not 100 kWh, the XC40 might have a greater all-electric range than the Polestar 2.

"Power ratings projected for the electric XC40 aren’t yet available. The XC40’s platform-sibling Polestar 2 is rated at 408 horsepower and 487 lb ft of torque, with 275 miles of range. Since Volvo projects a more sedate brand image than Polestar, assuming it uses the same battery pack you can expect the battery powered XC40 to have less power, and potentially greater range."

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/04/04/xc40-first-all-electric-volvo
XC40 will have higher air drag factor than Polestar 2, and is likely heavier. With same battery pack it won't have longer range, if not shorter.
 

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XC40 will have higher air drag factor than Polestar 2, and is likely heavier. With same battery pack it won't have longer range, if not shorter.
"Power ratings projected for the electric XC40 aren’t yet available. The XC40’s platform-sibling Polestar 2 is rated at 408 horsepower and 487 lb ft of torque, with 275 miles of range. Since Volvo projects a more sedate brand image than Polestar, assuming it uses the same battery pack you can expect the battery powered XC40 to have less power, and potentially greater range."

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...electric-volvo

And the Polestar 2 is more likely to be driven at 80+ mph on freeways, while the XC40 is more likely to be driven at less than 70 mph.

And then there's the evidence from Mats Anderson that the battery pack will be have more kWhs than Polestar 2.
 

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"Power ratings projected for the electric XC40 aren’t yet available. The XC40’s platform-sibling Polestar 2 is rated at 408 horsepower and 487 lb ft of torque, with 275 miles of range. Since Volvo projects a more sedate brand image than Polestar, assuming it uses the same battery pack you can expect the battery powered XC40 to have less power, and potentially greater range."

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...electric-volvo

And the Polestar 2 is more likely to be driven at 80+ mph on freeways, while the XC40 is more likely to be driven at less than 70 mph.

And then there's the evidence from Mats Anderson that the battery pack will be have more kWhs than Polestar 2.
EPA range of Polestar 2 surely is not tested at 80mph. Same test, XC40 will have shorter range I think.
 

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EPA range of Polestar 2 surely is not tested at 80mph. Same test, XC40 will have shorter range I think.
Yes, but I've read a lot about Tesla drivers driving below the speed limit when range challenged between superchargers in order to get better range. I don't know at what speed their tested at? Do you? Are they tested only at optimal speed for range? I doubt it. I hope not.

But this is not my main point. Mats Anderson said 2 years ago that the XC40 will have a 100 kWh battery pack, which is more than the 78 kWh of the Polestar 2. Does anyone know if this prediction has held up? If it has, then the XC40 could have a 300 mile range. The Audi E-tron only has an EPA range of 234 miles, which has been greeted with a lot of disappointment. Take note Volvo.
 

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Yes, but I've read a lot about Tesla drivers driving below the speed limit when range challenged between superchargers in order to get better range. I don't know at what speed their tested at? Do you? Are they tested only at optimal speed for range? I doubt it. I hope not.

But this is not my main point. Mats Anderson said 2 years ago that the XC40 will have a 100 kWh battery pack, which is more than the 78 kWh of the Polestar 2. Does anyone know if this prediction has held up? If it has, then the XC40 could have a 300 mile range. The Audi E-tron only has an EPA range of 234 miles, which has been greeted with a lot of disappointment. Take note Volvo.
EPA range is the number comparable between models. Of course driving slowly you could get better range.
Body shape plays a big role in air drag factor. So SUV EV is a bit challenge if it is a square head.
 

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EPA range is the number comparable between models. Of course driving slowly you could get better range.
Body shape plays a big role in air drag factor. So SUV EV is a bit challenge if it is a square head.
Obviously, an SUV has more drag than a sporty sedan. And 150 KW ultra-fast charging capability is pretty much a given for the Volvo all-electric XCs. But what is more to the point is the size of the battery pack. Does anyone have any inside info on that.... or even a good rumor?
 

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Yes, but I've read a lot about Tesla drivers driving below the speed limit when range challenged between superchargers in order to get better range. I don't know at what speed their tested at? Do you? Are they tested only at optimal speed for range? I doubt it. I hope not.

But this is not my main point. Mats Anderson said 2 years ago that the XC40 will have a 100 kWh battery pack, which is more than the 78 kWh of the Polestar 2. Does anyone know if this prediction has held up? If it has, then the XC40 could have a 300 mile range. The Audi E-tron only has an EPA range of 234 miles, which has been greeted with a lot of disappointment. Take note Volvo.
100kWh battery pack on XC40 will be too expensive. Maybe good on XC90 XC60.

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100kWh battery pack on XC40 will be too expensive. Maybe good on XC90 XC60.
Either the al-electric XC60 and XC90 is really what I want, but since the XC40 is coming first, later this year, that's where I was trying to start the speculation.
 

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"....the electric Volvo XC40 could be a rival to Tesla's upcoming Model Y, the crossover companion to the Model 3. Last year, Volvo U.S. boss Lex Kerssemakers said the automaker's first production electric car would have a range of around 250 miles and would cost between $35,000 and $40,000."

"In his Autocar interview, Ingenlath also said the larger XC90 crossover would get an all-electric variant in 2021, to be built at the new Charleston, South Carolina, factory where the redesigned S60 sedan will be built."

He also said that 250 miles range is minimum of what is needed for the US market. I would agree. It's certainly the minimum for me. Higher range would be better.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/21748/xc40-will-be-first-all-electric-volvo-executive-says
 

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More detailed info on the Polestar 2 with 78 kWh battery...... According to the new WLTP, more stringent, standard, range is 310 miles.

Volvo numbers;

At 76 degrees F and no A/C.... City - 406 miles ..... HIGHWAY - 260 miles .... Combined - 319 miles.

At 14 degrees F with heat ...... City - 267 miles ..... HIGHWAY - 198 miles .... Combined - 232 miles.

HIGHWAY is capitalized because highway is where you need the range.

https://ev-database.org/car/1170/Polestar-2

And while it has been correctly pointed out that the XC40 will be more heavy, and have more aerodynamic drag, the 2 has 408 HP, and the XC40 will probably not have that amount of HP, so that should mean an increase in range for the XC40. Am I wrong on that?
 

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And while it has been correctly pointed out that the XC40 will be more heavy, and have more aerodynamic drag, the 2 has 408 HP, and the XC40 will probably not have that amount of HP, so that should mean an increase in range for the XC40. Am I wrong on that?
I think your logic only applies to ICU cars, but not to electric cars. A larger battery pack results in a longer range (if you use the energy economically) AND in a higher HP output (if you use the same energy all at once). It's not like high-output ICUs that have a large displacement and thus have a high fuel consumption throughout. A larger battery pack is heavier though, but this is not so much of an issue: It needs more energy to accelerate a heavier car, yet while braking, more energy is recuperated. Aerodynamic drag is more important, and that's where the XC40 loses against Polestar 2 and any Tesla.
 

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I think your logic only applies to ICU cars, but not to electric cars. A larger battery pack results in a longer range (if you use the energy economically) AND in a higher HP output (if you use the same energy all at once). It's not like high-output ICUs that have a large displacement and thus have a high fuel consumption throughout. A larger battery pack is heavier though, but this is not so much of an issue: It needs more energy to accelerate a heavier car, yet while braking, more energy is recuperated. Aerodynamic drag is more important, and that's where the XC40 loses against Polestar 2 and any Tesla.
I still think 250 miles range on the EPA standard is still achievable for the XC40. Lex Kerssemakers, when he was CEO of Volvo NA, said what was needed from the all-electric XC40 to be viable in the US market was 250 mile range and a cost of $35,000 to $40,000. Since Polestar 2 has been rated at 310 miles on the new WLTP standard, maybe 260 miles on the EPA standard? Maybe 250 miles for the XC40 with a little tweaking. I think tweaking with the XC40 will be done -- after a high learning curve with Polestar 2.

After all, the Hyundai Kona Electric has about an EPA range of 258 miles on a 64 kWh battery pack, but only 204 horsepower.

I think Audi messed up limiting the range on it's 95 kWh battery, E-Tron where it's only been rated at 204 miles on the EPA standard. I've read they've limited the range to preserve battery life, but I think they should leave that to the owner, with only a serious warning about battery life. On long road trips you might just need that range.
 

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The high-end Model 3 has a WLTP rated range of 348 miles, and the Polestar 2 has a WLTP range of 310 miles,. About 10% less range for the Polestar 2. So since the Model 3 has a 310 mile range for the EPA rating, the Polestar 2 should have an EPA rated range of 279 miles?
 

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Is Tesla Losing the Supercharger Advantage? Electrify America is exploding all over the US with over 450 ultra-fast 150 KW charging stations by the end of the year, with more to come. It's why I'm now waiting to buy an all-electric XC90.


 
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