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A new product by VST:<br><A HREF="http://www.volvo-vst.com/v70r_bodydamper_eng.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvo-vst.com/v70r_bodydamper_eng.html</A><p>What exactly is it suppose to do?
 

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Re: Someone please explain this concept to me (mike_c70)

from the looks of the diagram, it seems that this product is suppose to stiffen the car and reduce the amount of vibration/body roll when going over a bump. <p>Does a VR have such roll/vibration when hitting a bump or road obstruction?
 

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Re: Someone please explain this concept to me (QnsMostWanted)

My car is not soft by any means but it's also not a tin can where it flexes that much.
 

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Looks like it does basically what your suspension struts do, but for your chassis. Shock absorbers "damp" vibration, as in they absorb enough energy that it is impossible for oscillations to occur. If your suspension didn't have them, your car would never stop bouncing. Someone must have determined that the V70 R has some issues with undamped oscillations in the chassis, and by adding these in strategic locations, they can eliminate those vibrations. So there's the theoretical mechanical engineer explanation, I can't say at all whether this is a legitimate problem or just an excuse to charge money. I'm sure it would stiffen up the chassis, but I don't know how much benefit these have over simple solid cross-members (like shock tower braces etc). Hope this helps.
 

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Re: Someone please explain this concept to me (QnsMostWanted)

Chassis brace.<br>These will stiffen up any car, but by how much is a result of how it's designed and where the mounting points are.
 

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Interesting. Someone (not me) needs to try these and let us know if they do any good.
 

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I would like to see exactly where these are supposed to be mounted.<p>Looks like a waste of money to me. <br>
 

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Re: Someone please explain this concept to me (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Chassis brace.<br>These will stiffen up any car, but by how much is a result of how it's designed and where the mounting points are.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not quite. It's not rigid, it's got a damper in it. It's design to absorb vibrations that are transferred into the car's frame from suspension loads and impacts that translate back into the steering and front suspension. <p>Think of it as adding a mass damper to a crankshaft. Or a rotating balance shaft to an engine. It absorbs vibrations. <p>Somehow I fail to see how that will help the rest of the steering and handling, but then again chassis response is not my bakk of wax.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Oceans60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would like to see exactly where these are supposed to be mounted.<p>Looks like a waste of money to me. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>agreed
 

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Re: Someone please explain this concept to me (QnsMostWanted)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>QnsMostWanted</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">from the looks of the diagram, it seems that this product is suppose to stiffen the car and reduce the amount of vibration/body roll when going over a bump. <p>Does a VR have such roll/vibration when hitting a bump or road obstruction?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>In Japan, the V70s are more popular than the S60s. Hence most Volvo aftermarket products are designed for the wagons.
 

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Re: Someone please explain this concept to me (blot)

Maybe they thought that sidehop was caused by chassis flex? They can't be that ignorant though...<p>It's a neat concept though - would love to see/feel/hear some actual install data. Why it's any better than a solid brace though??
 

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New VST COX body damper

<IMG SRC="http://www.volvo-vst.com/img_v70r_sb/fc_v70r_bd_eng.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <br><A HREF="http://www.volvo-vst.com/v70r_bodydamper_eng.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvo-vst.com/v70r_bodydamper_eng.html</A> <p>original Japanese page:<p><A HREF="http://www.volvo-vst.com/v70r_sb_bodydamper2.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvo-vst.com/v70r_sb_bodydamper2.html</A>
 

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Re: New VST COX body damper (icerockt)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>icerockt</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://www.volvo-vst.com/img_v70r_sb/fc_v70r_bd_eng.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>HI I'M BILLY MAYS! DOES YOUR V70 LATERALLY VIBRATE TOO MUCH? THEN STOP IT WITH A COX! OUR NEW COX IS THE BEST COX YET! ORDER NOW AND I'LL INCLUDE A SECOND COX FREE! THAT'S RIGHT, TWO COX FROM THE PRICE OF ONE COX! JUST PAY SHIPPING AND HANDLING! TWO FOR ONE COX! YOU CAN'T BEAT OUR COX WITH A STICK!
 

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Re: New VST COX body damper (Oceans60R)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Oceans60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>HI I'M BILLY MAYS! DOES YOUR V70 LATERALLY VIBRATE TOO MUCH? THEN STOP IT WITH A COX! OUR NEW COX IS THE BEST COX YET! ORDER NOW AND I'LL INCLUDE A SECOND COX FREE! THAT'S RIGHT, TWO COX FROM THE PRICE OF ONE COX! JUST PAY SHIPPING AND HANDLING! TWO FOR ONE COX! YOU CAN'T BEAT OUR COX WITH A STICK! </TD></TR></TABLE><p>LMFAO!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: New VST COX body damper (mad matt)

Clearance would be an issue too.<p>Pay $1300, install em and then leave them behind on the first speed hump.<p>No thanks.
 

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Re: New VST COX body damper (58ford)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>58ford</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Clearance would be an issue too.<p>Pay $1300, install em and then leave them behind on the first speed hump.<p>No thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Some of the COX body dampers are installed inside the vehicle (Impreza), some inside the bumper (Cayman/Golf GTI) so no clearance issues. <br>Hopefully thats what VST/COX uses. <p> <IMG SRC="http://xs110.xs.to/xs110/06485/S204_4.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/p_tune/imgs/c/9/c9824933.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/UserCarPat/1513842/p1.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://www.adenau.co.jp/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/cox-f.jpg" BORDER="0">
 

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Suspension deflection has dampers to keep it under control (eliminate the 2nd bounce). Chassis deflection does not and in the case of a VR I'm sure there's a solid amount of twist which could benefit from being dampened (or eliminated).<p>I had mine parked with one wheel on a sidewalk last week and the body twist was quite noticeable. Still at 1300$ I would rather get a race shop to fabricate braces for some key areas.
 

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So how all would this damper compare with a solid metal brace that could be had for, say, $1250 less?<p>Plus the pictured damper mounting points don't look all that effective...damping the motions of the bumper reinforcement seems bogus considering that the bumper reinforcement is already reinforced all by its lonesome.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dextrobrick</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So how all would this damper compare with a solid metal brace that could be had for, say, $1250 less?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>My point exactly. Ideally there should be only one "moving" component in a car, the suspension. That's why they build race cars with as much chassis stiffening braces as possible. A 2nd order of movement is not desirable at all, however controlled by "body dampers".<p>Steel, a welder and some talent will yield much better results for a fraction of the price.<p>Someone just found a new way to prey on wealthy customers. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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