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I'm going to test it out tomorrow, but I'm pretty certain that on my GT there's a pretty big difference in throttle response between sport mode and advanced. I keep the S on almost all the time, so it's not the auto-activation in advanced that's doing it.<p>I'm planning on doing it this way: Keep throttle at a set position in sport mode, then engage S button, if the mapping is changed the car should accelerate.<p>Then same test, starting with sport and S engaged, then adding advanced.<p>The reason for this is that I'm hearing many many people claim in the other thread that the S-button affects throttle mapping, which I haven't noticed before and which I *thought* was not the case. Any of the older more techy members care to chime in?
 

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Re: So the S-button changes throttle mapping as well? (partridge)

Pat: You already know my feelings on the matter. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I have actually done what you describe, and in my car, it will not accelerate when the sport mode OR advanced is engaged at a steady throttle.<p>Try this. At a steady cruise (say highway) in non-advanced, non-sport, roll into the throttle just a bit, not enough to rev the car more than, say, 500 rpm and not enough to affect a downshift. Try the same with advanced on (which will activate sport). It should feel much more responsive to your foot. <p>Now switch 4C to sport, and keep the trans in sport. It should feel the same to your foot. Take it out of sport and it will feel like the throttle pedal is out of a Benz. <p>
 

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Re: So the S-button changes throttle mapping as well? (needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Take it out of sport and it will feel like the throttle pedal is out of a Benz. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats hilarious that you say that. I gave a co-worker of mine a ride in my 06 GT and he asked me if I have to mash the gas to get it to accelerate quickly (like the throttle is kind of spongy). I press two buttons and show him how its definitely not that way in the R. He of course agrees that his Benzo (2005 E320) is quite tame in comparison....especially with the throttle response (AND his was more expensive <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> )
 

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Re: So the S-button changes throttle mapping as well? (Tekk)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tekk</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Thats hilarious that you say that. I gave a co-worker of mine a ride in my 06 GT and he asked me if I have to mash the gas to get it to accelerate quickly (like the throttle is kind of spongy). I press two buttons and show him how its definitely not that way in the R. He of course agrees that his Benzo (2005 E320) is quite tame in comparison....especially with the throttle response (AND his was more expensive <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> )</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Benzes have always had a very "deliberate" throttle (although the last one I drove was a 1990 model, but I drove several before then). I think they do it so as to provide a smooth departure for people who can't operate their right foot too well. They used to start in 2nd gear for the same reason.<p>But back on topic. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: So the S-button changes throttle mapping as well? (needsdecaf)

If you read the owners maual for the GT models you will see that the "S" button is supposed to only take the R's higher before engaging the next gear. It also states that there will be <U>less</U> travel with the gas pedal if you would like to engage a passing gear. I have felt what you guys are talking about. My tech gave me the comparison that in <U>non</U> sport mode, on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the touchiest and 1 being "Benz like" it is a 3. In advanced mode it becomes a 8. I sure feel a <U>large</U> difference when in advanced (much more sensitive) as compared to sport with the S button engaged. I run 1/2 second quicker to 60mph in advanced. Compared to sport with the S button activated. 5.5 advanced to 60 mph and 6 flat with the latter analogy. Cheers, Rick<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Mash at 12:11 PM 7-6-2006</i>
 

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Re: So the S-button changes throttle mapping as well? (partridge)

Yes, the throttle mapping in "advanced" is indeed advanced, even in the automatic. There should be a noticable difference between the three settings when hitting the pedal. Some say that there may be a timing change is the advanced setting as well, but that has yet to be proven.<p>Kevin<p>
 

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Re: So the S-button changes throttle mapping as well? (KVB-R)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KVB-R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, the throttle mapping in "advanced" is indeed advanced, even in the automatic. There should be a noticable difference between the three settings when hitting the pedal. Some say that there may be a timing change is the advanced setting as well, but that has yet to be proven.<p>Kevin<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Kevin: I think the point we're debating is whether or not for a GT that the "Sport" transmission mode produces the faster pedal response felt in advanced. <p>From Vadis, in discussing the TCM:<p>"The control module receives and processes information about the following: ........Selected Driving mode economy / sport - relative function programmed in the control module which is controlled by the speed at which the accelerator pedal (AP) is depressed. Quick 'pedal movement' = sport mode."<p><br>
 
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