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I have my car in Prestige Volvo NJ for 15000 miles service. <br>Tire rotation is not included per Volvo (?) and could be done for additional $35.<br>Also: oil (?) leak from dr. side, knocking noises from the same side, inexplicable occasional clutch slip when released (not droped), rain squeal (2-d time). Couple of issues I haven't even mentioned to SM, makes no sense "it's normal"<br>Car was there for the day, just got the call from SM:<br>"Knock can't be identified as well as oil leak (they don't even know if it's engine or transmission!), tech needs to take it home after putting die in oil so they can trace leak in black light. Actually, Volvo says it's NORMAL to have a small leak" <br>Call to Volvo NA: "we trust our dealers, if they say it's normal, it is. No, there is no supervisor, I am one..."<br>Second call from SM: "can he take it home, the round trip is about 120-130 miles?" <br>I:"No he can't, not more than 20-30!" <br>SM: "we don't know if it's enough, he needs to increase oil pressure to the max (!!!)"<br>I hope, I can get my car back in one peace. On the second thought, I hope he totals it...<br>Every time I have it in service, I'm ending up posting here., even though I read SS almost every day; great bunch of car enthusiasts, the best I came across.<br>I can't say I hate my R (guess, I passed that stage), I just don't have any trust in it. To many things which are considered "normal" or "it is, what it is" are unacceptable to me. Not in $46K car, sorry.<br>Have more serious things happening to me then waisting my time with SM or Volvo proving that oil leak (btw, not evaporation-leak!) is not normal!<br>Honestly, can't wait till the end of my lease- another 12 month.<br>Sorry, had to vent. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (igvolvo)

As I've said to others, you <B>NEED A NEW DEALER, ASAP</B><br>...and to answer your question/statement, Volvos normally <B>do NOT leak.</B><br>This is NOT a 1960's British sports car or a Lotus <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (igvolvo)

Does your SM ride a Harley by chance?<p>Sorry you're having so many issues. As I and others have said many times - your experience and satisfaction with your Volvo when it has problems will be limited to the quality of response from your dealership. Find a better dealer - they do exist.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>igvolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...just got the call from SM:<br>"Knock can't be identified as well as oil leak (they don't even know if it's engine or transmission!), tech needs to take it home after putting die in oil so they can trace leak in black light. Actually, Volvo says it's NORMAL to have a small leak" <br>Call to Volvo NA: "we trust our dealers, if they say it's normal, it is. No, there is no supervisor, I am one..."<br></TD></TR></TABLE>
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (rollie)

Dude, Prestige sucks. They don't know squat. I never trusted them with my S40. <p>Go to Paul's Volvo, I hear they're good.<p>Oil leak is not normal. 10 gets you one that it's the angle gear and they haven't gotten off their a**es to read the f*****g TNN. <p>Look <A HREF="http://www.v70r.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2025" TARGET="_blank">HERE</A> for a good list of all the TNN's. I bet it's the angle gear, the front subframe creak, and / or the axle ping.<p>I hate that dealer.
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (JRL)

Thanks for advise. I'll take TNN to Prestige, although suspect that will not make any difference...<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As I've said to others, you <B>NEED A NEW DEALER, ASAP</B><br>...and to answer your question/statement, Volvos normally <B>do NOT leak.</B> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I've taken your advise and moved on, that's the 3-d one already. One before stated that Volvo recomends to rotate tires every 22,500 miles <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>The problem is, <B>I am well aware that they don't leak</B> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I, like most of us, have an acute allergic reaction to BS. Always tempted to ask: "Why you're treating me like that, do I look like I'm very pregnant, or I'm in my eighties with signs of Alsheimers on me and incontinence on my pants? In other words, one you "normaly" deal with? Please, give me the benefit of the doubt... Just say that you're INCOMPETENT! I'm OK with that.<br>Tomorrow, if there's no changes, I'll try to get that "normal" thing from them in writing and forward to BBB. What else can I do? Any suggestions?<p>I would go to Paul's, but that's at least an hour door to door. I simply don't have that much time; plus the loaner...
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As I've said to others, you <B>NEED A NEW DEALER, ASAP</B>Volvos normally <B>do NOT leak.</B></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Each and every angle gear I have seen, either R or other Volvo AWD's, were leaking or sweating..<p>I guess one could say this is normal. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (Johann)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Each and every angle gear I have seen, either R or other Volvo AWD's, were leaking or sweating..<p>I guess one could say this is normal. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes, they may "sweat" a bit (not supposed to) but they don't leave a puddle on the floor
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (igvolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>igvolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> What else can I do? Any suggestions?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Going to the BBB isn't going to do squat. Don't bother.<p>Taking the TNN's in is your best bet. <p>Did they tell you what it was leaking? You had a ? next to it in your post above.
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dude, Prestige sucks. They don't know squat. I never trusted them with my S40. I hate that dealer. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The one and only time I went to Prestige was on the 23rd of December 2003 for my 7,500 mile service. The next day, <U>CHRISTMAS EVE</U>, while on the way out of town for the holidays I had to have the car towed back to them (thank god they were open). It seems they forgot to tighten the drain plug and it FELL OUT while I was doing 75mph on Rt. 287 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> . Also, they never rotated the tires (on my '04 it was included at 7,500 and 22,500). The service manager said "Oh, they only get rotated if you request for them to be rotated" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> .<p>Needless to say - I have not been back... and they did not get a "10".<p>Go to Kundert Volvo (Englewood or Hasbrouck Heights).
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (Johann)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Each and every angle gear I have seen, either R or other Volvo AWD's, were leaking or sweating..<p>I guess one could say this is normal. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>My angle gear was replaced to fix the oil weep that developed right after I bought my V70 R new. The replacement angle gear didn't weep oil, it DRIPPED oil onto my garage floor. The service manager said they might have overfilled the replacement gear with oil (although they should know better!). Maybe he was right, because the drip eventually stopped. Now when I see my dry angle gear, I think it must be out of oil not to weep any more.
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (igvolvo)

No!!!<p>Good thing this is not a toilet issue from Home Depot or Lowes. <p>I would and never will accept an oil leak on any new car, especially a potentially priced $40K+ automobile.<p>The sales brochure certainly did not feature seeping, leaking, puddles, etc.<p>I have had four Volvos, and none have leaked at all, ever.<p>Change dealers and tell both the old and new one respectively why you are making the change. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (MAC1LSR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MAC1LSR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Now when I see my dry angle gear, I think it must be out of oil not to weep any more.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Eventually it will stop leaking.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (Johann)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Eventually it will stop leaking.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good point! <br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Each and every angle gear I have seen, either R or other Volvo AWD's, were leaking or sweating..<p>I guess one could say this is normal. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's why I can't wait to move on from Volvo's "excellence, nothinng else"...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Going to the BBB isn't going to do squat. Don't bother.<p>Taking the TNN's in is your best bet. <p>Did they tell you what it was leaking? You had a ? next to it in your post above. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thay don't even know whether it's engine or transmission <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I always thought that it's not such a big deal, just touch and smell. Unless engine/transmission use the same oil which they don't. Apparently to complicated for them <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I'd say quality of service mirrors the quality of the car.<p>Can't wait to talk to SM...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by igvolvo at 12:32 PM 7-12-2006</i>
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (stevectsai)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevectsai</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">HOLY S**T!!!! a little leak is normal???<p><br>DAMN, you didn't shoot that guy?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I wisely leave everything which may shoot at home when go for Volvo service. I also keep hands in my pocketes all the time <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (igvolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>igvolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have my car in Prestige Volvo NJ for 15000 miles service. <br>Tire rotation is not included per Volvo (?) and could be done for additional $35.<br>Also: oil (?) leak from dr. side, knocking noises from the same side, inexplicable occasional clutch slip when released (not droped), rain squeal (2-d time). Couple of issues I haven't even mentioned to SM, makes no sense "it's normal"<br>Car was there for the day, just got the call from SM:<br>"Knock can't be identified as well as oil leak (they don't even know if it's engine or transmission!), tech needs to take it home after putting die in oil so they can trace leak in black light. Actually, Volvo says it's NORMAL to have a small leak" <br>Call to Volvo NA: "we trust our dealers, if they say it's normal, it is. No, there is no supervisor, I am one..."<br>Second call from SM: "can he take it home, the round trip is about 120-130 miles?" <br>I:"No he can't, not more than 20-30!" <br>SM: "we don't know if it's enough, he needs to increase oil pressure to the max (!!!)"<br>I hope, I can get my car back in one peace. On the second thought, I hope he totals it...<br>Every time I have it in service, I'm ending up posting here., even though I read SS almost every day; great bunch of car enthusiasts, the best I came across.<br>I can't say I hate my R (guess, I passed that stage), I just don't have any trust in it. To many things which are considered "normal" or "it is, what it is" are unacceptable to me. Not in $46K car, sorry.<br>Have more serious things happening to me then waisting my time with SM or Volvo proving that oil leak (btw, not evaporation-leak!) is not normal!<br>Honestly, can't wait till the end of my lease- another 12 month.<br>Sorry, had to vent. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>NOTE: <p>There is a small 1/8 " diameter hole in the bottom left side of the main intercooler that is desinged to allow condensation to be eliminated from the system. It is not unusual to see significnat amounts of oil mist exit from this hole. In some situations the mist can collect on parts and form a liquid that in turn could lead to an occasional drop or two on the ground. We have heard from some customers that thier dealer installed a small pad at the outlet to soak up any mist and prevent it form dripping. May not even be related to what you are experieinceing, but more of an FYI-<br>
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (Scott Hart)

My S80 had an oil leak that wouldn't show up until you changed your oil because it collected on the splash shield. The dealer thankfully found it and it was the breather box I believe? I got the "Volvo's always leak some oil" from a shop that was changing my oil...
 

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Re: SM: oil leak is normal... (Scott Hart)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Scott Hart</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>NOTE: <p>There is a small 1/8 " diameter hole in the bottom left side of the main intercooler that is desinged to allow condensation to be eliminated from the system. It is not unusual to see significnat amounts of oil mist exit from this hole. In some situations the mist can collect on parts and form a liquid that in turn could lead to an occasional drop or two on the ground. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Scott, thanks for advice, I hope that what it is, because thay couldn't find sources of leak or clicking. Every item I addressed, ends with fraze "customer to monitor" on work order, except repositioning exhaust (till next rain?).<p>I got oil change (I hope) though and new cabin air filter! Perhaps with cleaner air in the cabin I 'll stop hearing noises and seeing oil <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Oh yeah, I'll rotate tires on weekend myself- save $35.<br>Volvo= excellence nothing else <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Thanks for advice and help everybody. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 
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