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Two years ago I briefly owned a 2004 R that I really enjoyed - am now in the market for a performance car that is not crazily expensive and am considering a newer R - been reading this forum and it seems that R's are pretty trouble-prone with multiple failure points - and few Volvo dealers know how to maintain and fix the cars.<p>So here's what I'm wondering - would you as current R owners recommend the car? If so, which model year(s)? And if not, what would you consider owning as an alternative?<p>thanks!
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (scottymon)

Let me put it this way I just bought my 04 R in Jan of this year with 95K on her. I commute 125 miles round trip each day and I LOVE this car! I am getting 28-29 mpg (rare I know) and hope to have her a long long time. If your looking at a one owner car that has been taken care of IMO do it and just keep up the maintenance. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (scottymon)

I own an 07 R. As a standard model, non-modified, its a dog that's really lacking performance and true handling characteristics. It should have come standard with about 30 to 40 more HP & torque, and a stiffer suspension. After investing a few grand with IPD it has become a truly enjoyable driver. <p>However, given the alternatives available in today's pre-owned market, I would get an Audi S5 or BMW 335i. <p>If the R is what your heart is set on, look for an 06 or 07 with a manual gearbox.
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (scottymon)

G37Xs peaks my interest........but it is a bit too bland looking. In the end, buy what makes YOU happy. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (MagoonR)

here is an interesting Vid with the comaprison of the S5 and 335I. <p><A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHj0zbhjLZI" TARGET="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHj0zbhjLZI</A><p>Im not a bmw fan and i liked audis until i started to read more on them and realized how heavy it is its longitudinal engine and a gearbox all<br>hanging out in front of the front axle takes away from its handeling so it makes it up in horsepower but still for only having 350 hp there are otehr cars i would purchase for far less than what audi wants. The balance is all wrong, the cars are too heavy, and they're overpriced for what you get but on sure looks i would get one...<p>What made you get rid of your R the first time. I just got my 07 R in March of this year and i love it. I have been looking for the right one for over 3 years and just as i was getting ready to buy a Subaru legacy SpecB and give up on the R i found the one i got. The R i think attracts a certian driver. Sure i could have gotten a Cadillac CTSV or a S4 but i wanted something that i didnt see everyday and i needed AWD for the mountians in Tahoe. I read enough on the site to know what to look for and I appreciated the rarity of the R and the power it has. These are not the fastest cars out there, but they can hang and put to same some of its competitors. I ddint realize how fast his car was until yesterday driving back from San Jose and had a run it with a 370Z and earlier before that an M3 2004 i think it was. Both time impressed me and all i have is DP and IPD stage 2 upgrade. <p>its all personal preference but i couldnt be happier with my R. Im a big guy 6"3" 230 and all the cars i test drove didnt even come close to the comfort of the R. I'll never buy a BMW because of their hard leather and ergonomically incorrect seats for big tall guys <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">!!!
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (scottymon)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scottymon</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Two years ago I briefly owned a 2004 R that I really enjoyed - am now in the market for a <B>performance car</B> that is not crazily expensive and am considering a newer R <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Performance car? I really dont consider anything that can get beat by a Camry a performance car. I owned an 06R and did not like how fragile the car was, and I <B>babied</B> it. I wouldnt recommend an R without a full warranty.<p>
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (PM)

The 335i wasn't impressive to me. Very small throughout and not particularly attractive exterior or interior. And if you're wanting a car that is reliable and cheap to maintain, a BMW is certainly not what you're looking for. And yes, the hard leather in BWMs is abysmal.<p>Yes, a warranty on the R is a great idea. <p>I still love my R as well. Would definitely recommend getting an '05 or newer as then you get the newer center console, and color-matched plastics on the outside as opposed to the black plastics.
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (Jexx)

I have a 05 R and love it, however it has made me nervous ever since I bought it. I hear things that others don't that sometimes make me wonder about this car. However, Like what Token Blk Says......It not something that you see everyday like S4's or 3 Series BMW's. The R is unique and has great body lines that give it a awesome look. Mine has plenty of power, and excels on the interstate, with great handling and braking. Would I recommend it?.....Sure, just make sure you take care of your ride and it takes take of you! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (scottymon)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scottymon</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Two years ago I briefly owned a 2004 R that I really enjoyed - am now in the market for a performance car that is not crazily expensive and am considering a newer R - been reading this forum and it seems that R's are pretty trouble-prone with multiple failure points - and few Volvo dealers know how to maintain and fix the cars.<p>So here's what I'm wondering - would you as current R owners recommend the car? If so, which model year(s)? And if not, what would you consider owning as an alternative?<p>thanks!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Buy an R, don't abuse it, and it will be with you for the rest of your life <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> However, unless this is your "reasonable" dream car, go buy a bimmer or an audi or something. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I for one, love my R, and this gal and I will be together for a long long time <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (Foreveradvanced)

Me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emlove.gif" BORDER="0"> my R, it makes me happy.<p>With the help of this forum you should be fine with any problems that come at you, well, at least you would know how much lighter your wallet will be.<p>If you want auto go '06 or higher, if manual go '05 or higher.
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (850arrrsaylikepirate)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>850arrrsaylikepirate</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you want auto go '06 or higher, if manual go '05 or higher.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I would recommend 07 GT. Rememebr that the early 06's had valve issues in the transmission.
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rememebr that the early 06's had valve issues in the transmission.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>?
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (baxteR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>baxteR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>A few R owners have had the 6GT transmission replaced because of:<p><I>TNN43-53-2006-12-21 Title: Auto Trans - TF80-SC Diagnostic Information Summary - Valve Body Replacement.<br>This document summarizes customer complaints related to the 6 speed Automatic Transmission (TF80-SC) and should be used together with the information in VIDA.<p>The Valve Body should be replaced to address the following symptoms:<br>1. Customer complaints about 2-3 upshift quality. The shift may be described as harsh, or as a shudder. The symptom is usually more apparent during the first few minutes of driving after a cold start.<br>2. Customer complaints of shudder when slowing down, just before coming to a stop. The symptom may also be described as a harsh downshift just before coming to a stop.<br>3. Neutral condition in 4th, 5th & 6th gear; normal behavior in 1st, 2nd, 3rd & Reverse. One or more of the following DTCs (Diagnostic Trouble Codes) may be present: P073400, P073500, P072900, P089600.<br>4. Neutral condition in all gears except 5th & Reverse, usually with DTC P273300 set. DTCs for gear ratio(s) may also be set such as P073000, P073100, P073200, or P073400.<br>Note: Transmissions starting with serial number 06J and later already have the latest valve body which is designed to prevent these symptoms.</I>
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (scottymon)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scottymon</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>So here's what I'm wondering - would you as current R owners recommend the car? If so, which model year(s)? And if not, what would you consider owning as an alternative?<br>thanks!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have an '04 VR 6 MT and I love it, even more so with the mods. It looks great, inside and out. It turns heads cause nobody knows what it is, <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> and its a blast to drive. But a "performance car", a la M3, 335i, IS-F?" eh...not so much. On the other hand, an R does give you a lot of bang for the buck.<p>Taking an on ramp hitting 80 in third gear (with a lot more where that came from) always puts this stupid grin on my face. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> I want to take it to a 1.5 mile oval and just let the 300 horsies run free..<p>I say do it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Get a VR 6 MT if you can find one.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by redalrt at 5:53 AM 7-22-2009</i>
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (scottymon)

I picked up an '06 S60R 2 months ago and love it. Coming from an Audi allroad, I'm used to some expensive repair issues along the way. But being a long time Volvo owner (8 in the last 30 yrs.), I have confidence that this is a well made dependable car. Make sure you either have an extended warranty or a good local experienced Volvo mechanic, preferably both. And have this mechanic go over the car thoroughly. I'm expecting to have some expensive repairs in the next few years. If I wanted a boring car that I just needed to change the oil and drive, I would have gotten a Honda. My R is a blast to drive and Volvos have the best seats around. Go for it.
 

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Re: Should I buy an R? (scottymon)

You summed up the issues very well. In addition to failure points and confused dealers, don't forget some nagging design defects. You cannot pull the car into a standard mall/work parking lot because (a) you will have to execute a 3 point pull-in due to a horrible turning radius, and (2) you risk an $800+ front bumper repair if you pull in as far as every other car in the lot. If you pull into or out of a driveway with even a slightest incline at anything faster than a crawl, you will tear out the bottom of the car. I have "forgotten" to creep into inclined driveways a couple of time and it is a blood-curdling sound. Every time you allow a spouse to use the car, you have to remind him/her of these shortcomings. They <U>will</U> damage the car and ruin your day. (Not great for the relationship either) It has happened to me multiple times. Remember that, if you try to carry anyone over 5 foot tall in the back seat, it will be a uncomfortable for them. Remember that if/when you hit a pot hole, your fillings will fall out no matter what setting you are in. Dealing with this every day can get old. Then, when something like a headlamp goes out or a strut needs to be replaced and you are over one grand in the hole, the aforementioned design defects really begin to [anger you]. Only you know what your tolerance is to these shortcomings. If you can deal with them, go for it. I have heard great things about the Infiniti's. I will not get another R.
 

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The car has it's quirks but it's part of the exclusivity and uniqueness that is the R. The fact is that there isn't much of an aftermarket because our cars are not a dime-a-dozen like an S4 or M3. The car is an absolute joy to drive and provides worlds of entertainment as you surprise others with what a monster Volvo can do.<p>As for the "complaints" they need to be put in perspective. This forum is the best place for information on the '04-'07 Rs (and certainly the most trafficked). There seems to be an abundance of issues because this is where our collective can voice them. Take an S4 for instance, repairs and reliability is far worse than an R but there are 40 different sites on which to air such problems. We have 1. <p>Decide what you want. Do you want a turn-key Japanese car? Do you want a car that is on the rare side or more common? Weigh out the options and go for it.<p>What I will say is that regardless of the seemingly numerous complaints many of us have multiple Volvos (sometimes multiple Rs), and the majority have owner 2, 3, 4, or more Volvos over the years.
 

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MJ, you are describing things that can happen with any performance-oriented, low-riding, awd vehicle with long front overhangs. It's not R specific, for the most part. It's not untrue, but not the R's "fault".<p>It's been said before. Get what makes you happy. I love my R, but am also prepared to do or pay for the repairs it needs going forward. It's not cheap to maintain IF something brakes, but the vehicle itself, IMO, has good performance, great handling (in sport or advanced mode), and is supremely comfortable for long or short trips. <p>Take what you read here with a grain of salt.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>T5 for Life</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MJ, you are describing things that can happen with any performance-oriented, low-riding, awd vehicle with long front overhangs. It's not R specific, for the most part. It's not untrue, but not the R's "fault".<p>It's been said before. Get what makes you happy. I love my R, but am also prepared to do or pay for the repairs it needs going forward. It's not cheap to maintain IF something brakes, but the vehicle itself, IMO, has good performance, great handling (in sport or advanced mode), and is supremely comfortable for long or short trips. <p>Take what you read here with a grain of salt.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>+1 Well said <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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