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Hey everyone, I am new here, but have been reading the forums for years. I used to have a '94 850 and loved it, but had to get rid of it because it had a lot of problems. I am now looking to get back into a volvo in the form of a S60 R.<p>I was wondering if some of the experts here could help me by answering a couple questions I have. I am looking at 2004 models as they are the only ones in my price range. I was wondering what the reliablity is like for the R and for the 2004 in particular, as I really want to make this car last a long time but I am slightly worried because of problems I had with the 850 in the past.<p>I was also wondering if it would be better to get the 6 speed or the auto, as i have heard mixed reports about each one.<p>Lastly, I was wondering if there is anything in particular I should look out for in a used one?<p>Thank you in advance for any help, and I must say I think this is one of the best car communities on the web.
 

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Re: Searching for an R: need some help (Kivas)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kivas</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey everyone, I am new here, but have been reading the forums for years. I used to have a '94 850 and loved it, but had to get rid of it because it had a lot of problems. I am now looking to get back into a volvo in the form of a S60 R.<p>I was wondering if some of the experts here could help me by answering a couple questions I have. I am looking at 2004 models as they are the only ones in my price range. I was wondering what the reliablity is like for the R and for the 2004 in particular, as I really want to make this car last a long time but I am slightly worried because of problems I had with the 850 in the past.<p>I was also wondering if it would be better to get the 6 speed or the auto, as i have heard mixed reports about each one.<p>Lastly, I was wondering if there is anything in particular I should look out for in a used one?<p>Thank you in advance for any help, and I must say I think this is one of the best car communities on the web.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>you think 850 got problems? wait till you get into an R <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>to be fair, I'm always a car critic with a chip on a shoulder, like most people here at R forum.. <p>my 2cents: get a 05' or 06' R and don't track it too hard.. treat an R like your girlfriend, you want to pop that cherry, but you don't want her to bleed.
 

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Re: Searching for an R: need some help (stevectsai)

Quite the analogies in the middle of the night! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Searching for an R: need some help (stevectsai)

Steve,<p>I'd quote you for reference, but... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> How old are your girlfriends? I hope I don't see you or your R on an upcoming episode of Dateline NBC!!!<p>Kivas,<p>There are several of us with '04s that are rock solid. My 2004 S60R has been a faithful steed with little/no trouble since new. Any work beyond oil changes were repairs to damage inflicted by the dealership staff (don't get me started). The manual transmission is excellent and has been trouble-free as well. I highly recommend the manual as the GT has a torque limiter in the low gears (258lb/ft vs. 295lb/ft) and shifting with the turbo is a blast. <I>What to look out for?</I> A few common trouble spots that others have reported include ticking in the front hubs (axle splines) and oil leaking from the rear of the engine (angle gear for AWD). I'm sure others will chime in with their recommendations. Have any used car thoroughly checked out by your local Volvo dealer - one that has a tech with R experience. An inspection is well worth the expense if you are ready to purchase a particular car. Lastly, I would avoid eBay unless you are confident that the seller is trustworthy or you can inspect the car in person. I recently saw an "accident free" S60R up for bid with all of the rear badges askew and in the wrong locations on the decklid (most likely a poorly concealed repair). Good luck!<p>If you find one with a warranty, we can definitely help you pinpoint any emerging trouble so you can have it addressed on Volvo's dime. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>- Tryg
 

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Your best bet would be Lee, he works at University Volvo in Charlotte (about 2 hours from you) he has a used 05 R that has been maticulously dealer maintained. He is asking a very fair price as well. His work number is 704.547.1095 You can also find details on his R in the classifieds.
 

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As Rainy has noted, there are many of us out there with '04's that are pretty trouble free. Just get the car inspected, drive it, and make sure it has a complete service history and you'll be fine. <p>The '04's are slightly less desirable in that they have a poorer design on the center console cupholders and no trim around the radio and climate control. Having said that, the interior is still top notch. <p>The '04's also have black trim on the side mouldings and bumpers. This isn't as much of an issue on the darker colors...in fact, I like the way it breaks up the Titanium gray on my car. The pieces are paintable though.<p>Others above have said to watch out for the axle spline click...that's a noise you will hear when rolling on and off the throttle. The issue with the angle gear seems to be relegated to manual transmission cars. <p>I have the GT and it's pretty good as an auto goes, not perfect. If you drive one, watch out for a pronounced flurry of revs (+500 RPM) when downshifting from 5-4 and 4-3, more pronounced when in standard mode. Some seem to have this problem worse than others, some not at all. I have it pretty bad and my crappy dealer won't diagnose it. The 6MT can suffer from difficulty shifting into 1st and Reverse. There is a bulletin for that, check to see if it's done.<p>Wheel bearings have been known to go at relatively low miles. Make sure they are in good shape and not making noise. <p>18" wheels are prone to bubbling tires and bending rims on potholes, especially if the car is on the stock PZeros. Other tires or 17's will help. Speaking of which, the stock PZeros are good only for 14,000 to 20,000 miles, and are absolutely useless in the cold and snow, shouldn't be too big of an issue for you.<p>The stock body kit looks sharp but the front rubs on ramps, etc., especially the outer winglets, look for damage there. <p>There is a useless bracket under the exhaust in the center of the car. It is the lowest thing on the car and quite visible from below. Put any car you look at on a lift and make sure it is not bent. If it is, make sure that you check to see the center driveshaft is not scored or damaged. It is very easy for this bracket to get bent, which will push the exhaust up into the driveshaft. Several people on this board have had ruined driveshafts this way, and it is not covered under warranty. It costs about $2,000 to replace. Look for any vibration at speed. <p>There's no reason not to get an '04 if you carefully examine it and make sure it's in good shape. Good luck in your search!<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by needsdecaf at 6:09 AM 5-22-2006</i>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R_Rated</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your best bet would be Lee, he works at University Volvo in Charlotte (about 2 hours from you) he has a used 05 R that has been maticulously dealer maintained. He is asking a very fair price as well. His work number is 704.547.1095 You can also find details on his R in the classifieds.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Actually, that's a lot of R for the money and Lee is a "motivated" seller
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The '04's are slightly less desirable in that they have a poorer design on the center console cupholders and no trim around the radio and climate control. Having said that, the interior is still top notch. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hmmm.....the center console and cupholders is enough to break a deal huh? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> There have also been comments that the HU-803 has much better sound/bass than the HU-850 which replaced it in 2005. I'll take the stereo over the cupholders anyday.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Hmmm.....the center console and cupholders is enough to break a deal huh? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Apparently for some it is. I for one hate my center cupholder any time I try to put something in it...the door does not open wide enough to get the hell out of the way of tall cups.
 

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Thanks for all the help. The car in Charlotte is perfect, but unfortunatly its more than I think I can pay right now. I am also running into a problem that there are not too many that I can find in my area. I have looked on autotrader, and most of the good deals are over 200 miles away and I am not sure I will be able to go that far to look at a car I am not sure I will buy. Does anyone have any suggestions on a good way to track one down? Also, is it worth spending more on a certified pre owned one? Thanks again for all the help.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kivas</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does anyone have any suggestions on a good way to track one down?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Try ebaymotors as well.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kivas</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, is it worth spending more on a certified pre owned one? Thanks again for all the help.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>In a word.......YES. You'll thank me in a few years. If I end up keeping my R, extended warranty all the way.
 

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Re: Searching for an R: need some help (Kivas)

I owned a '94 850 and its major systems were relatively trouble free. The stuff that broke on the 850 were minor items like seat heater, antenna, etc. The S60 R has many more complicated systems (AWD, 4C, DSTC, to name a few) that will be very costly to repair if and when they break. <p>Have you driven an R yet? If you have and are comfortable that is what you want, you'll need to be prepared to travel a little to find one in your price range, or wait until one pops up. <p>I found mine on autotrader and drove 250 miles to get it.
 

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Re: Searching for an R: need some help (Wayne T5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Wayne T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The S60 R has many more complicated systems (AWD, 4C, DSTC, to name a few) that will be very costly to repair if and when they break.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Are those issues you described about the R covered under waranty? If they are not I am already having flashbacks to my old 850 which was in the shop for some pretty big issues (The check engine light came on about once a week and each shop visit showed another major failure somewhere).<p>Thanks again for the help so far
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Apparently for some it is. I for one hate my center cupholder any time I try to put something in it...the door does not open wide enough to get the hell out of the way of tall cups. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Remove the lid, as I did.<br>Then cut the tabs off and make a pair of rubber legs for the front, the rear part will sit on its own.<br>My cupholder lid stays on (normally) when not in use, when I want to use the now FULLY OPEN cupholders I either chuck it (the lid) in the back seat or in the glovebox
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kivas</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for all the help. The car in Charlotte is perfect .</TD></TR></TABLE><br>If Lee's car is <B>perfect,</B> wouldn't it be wise to at least call him and see what kind of a deal you two can possibly make?
 

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Re: Searching for an R: need some help (Kivas)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kivas</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Are those issues you described about the R covered under waranty? </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Of course
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kivas</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am also running into a problem that there are not too many that I can find in my area. I have looked on autotrader, and most of the good deals are over 200 miles away and I am not sure I will be able to go that far to look at a car I am not sure I will buy. Does anyone have any suggestions on a good way to track one down? Also, is it worth spending more on a certified pre owned one? Thanks again for all the help.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I recently purchased a new R as I loved my 04 so much. I had my 04 shipped 2000 miles from a dealer in Florida to CA. I just flew 600 miles to drive my new one home from San Francisco.<br>My point is, if the deal is right, get it shipped or fly to drive her home and make an aventure out of the purchase.<br>Figure on getting an extended warranty on the car. It will likely cost you $2-2.5k, but you should be then covered to 80-100k miles. This car could be very costly to repair, so balance the cost of a lower mileage (say 20k with factory warranty to 50k) to a less expensive car with 30-40k (but definitely getting the extended warranty) and see what works better for you. <br>Be patient, do your homework and if you find a car some distance away, ask the seller to take it to the local dealer on your dime to be inspected. If all is good (as it should be if it has any warranty left) go for it.<br>Good luck.<br>Jim
 

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Re: Searching for an R: need some help (Kivas)

Hi,<br>I am a new V70R owner as of today - I found one this week that was just traded into the Audi dealer in Charlotte. It's an 05 with 11k miles and it was a steal of a price. Prior to finding this one I talked last week with the owner of a Ti/Gobi 04 w/ 28k miles and a 100k mile extended warranty. I was planning on going to look at it next weekend, located in Beaufort, SC. The guy is in love with the car but just moved to Beaufort and he is buying a boat and needs something to tow it with. He's not extremely motivated to sell it but he is asking a fair price of $28k. I found it on ebay but it did not meet his reserve so I called him. The only flaw he described was a scratch on one of the wheels. Let me know if you are interested and I will send you his info. I don't know him other than my one conversation with him but it seemed nice enough I was planning on driving the 5 hours to go see it with the intent to purchase so it may be the right one for you.
 
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