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Hi All,<p>Still shopping around to upgrade my Honda Accord to a 'Luxury' car. My finalists are 2007 S80 and 08 ES 350.<p>Thoughts on comparing the two? <p>Also, I was looking on IPD for some potential mod items for the 07-08 S80. All I saw only went through 06; Does IPD make/carry parts for the 2G S80?<p>Thanks<br>GC
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (gs1397)

Personally, I would go with the S80 (Not just because I have one and am biased. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p>Reasons:<p>You can get a T6 over the 350's N/A V6, giving you a boatload of low end torque, plus AWD for nasty weather.<p>S80 can come with a sport package that comes with 18" Zubras, 4C (Which I personally love because of the throttle remapping in addition to the really firm Advanced mode for spirited driving or comfort for highway cruising), versus the 350's standard suspension.)<p>The 350 does beat the S80 in terms of nav system quality and usability, however, I do find the S80 nav system to be sufficient.<p>S80 can come with BLIS - which I find extremely convenient (if BLIS is on, you don't have to bother checking over your shoulder because a car is probably there) - and this includes folding mirrors, which I believe the 350 comes with.<p>PCC has the heartbeat detector as well as lock/unlock check on it, which the 350's doesn't.<p>S80 can come with active cruise control and lane departure.<p>All of those are comparing the extra features of the S80 though. Strictly comparing base model S80 to base ES 350, I would go for the S80 solely for the torque, power, and AWD of the T6.<p><br>And plus, when it comes to safety, the ES 350 may equal the S80 in crash tests, safety ratings, etc., but when it comes down to it, Volvo's always feel sturdier and safer compared to Japanese cars. Even with equal safety ratings, I would rather be in an S80 in a bad accident over an ES.
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (gs1397)

The ES350 was on my list too. The interior is very nicely done, but, I prefer the more laid back look of the Volvo S80 interior. The S80 is a purpose built Flagship for Volvo. The ES 350 is really just a gussied up Toyota Camry. Nicely done albeit. I test drove three different ES 350s and each one had rattles in the dash over rough roads. The S80 is tight as a drum. I think the Lexus GS is more of an S80 competitor than the ES. I have a 2009 S80 T6 AWD and I can tell you that it is a great car. I have no regrets in the purchase.
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (gs1397)

I have an '09 S80 T6, and my parents own a 2007 ES350, so I think I can offer my opinion. If you were buying new, which you are not, I would say you get more features for your money with the ES350. It's a toss-up for you since you are buying used. There is less rear headroom in the ES350. And the ES350 probably accelerates quicker than the heavier S80 3.2. Steering effort on the S80 (at least on my T6) is much higher than the Lexus. As for mods, there are suspension mods (maybe others) for both cars, but there's not much out there. Since the ES is Camry-based, lowering springs, anti-roll bars, and the like will fit both cars. The ES gets much better fuel mileage than the S80, a big plus nowadays.<p>I also had to decide between buying an ES350 and a Volvo S80 back in December 2008. It was a tough choice, but chose the S80 T6 in large part because of the good relationship I already had with my local Volvo dealer, and the numerous incentives I got for the S80. Still, for the price I paid for my S80 T6, I could have gotten an ES350 with Navigation and Back-up camera - 2 features I really miss having on my S80 (I have Nav and camera on my 2005 Lexus LS 430). I barely get 18 MPG with my S80, but then I have the T6. That's with driving very conservatively to save gas - anticipating traffic flow, coasting to redlights and timing greenlights, gentle acceleration, minimal idling, driving with the AC off, etc. I do very little long-distance driving though, so that hurts my overall MPG.<p>Take some test drives to compare the two cars. That's the best way to determine which car is best for you.
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (MAC1LSR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MAC1LSR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Steering effort on the S80 (at least on my T6) is much higher than the Lexus. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Are you sure? With the S80 in Low steering force mode, the wheel feels very light, and I can comfortably drive one handed even on tight, quick turns. But bump it up to High force mode, and you have to two hand even small curves in the road. Maybe you don't have the speed sensitive steering pack, or haven't played around with the settings in the menu. If you do have the steering option, play around with it - go into the menu and leave the screen where you can move between high, medium, and low, and if you stay on the screen, it will allow you to adjust the steering while driving so that you can compare all three settings.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MAC1LSR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I do very little long-distance driving though, so that hurts my overall MPG.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think getting a bigger engine for city driving may be beneficial, because with the increased low end torque of the T6, you have to give less gas and not push the revs too high to get it going from a stop, and when you have a lot of stop and go, you might end up being better off than a regular 3.2
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (vivek9856)

Ah, but I don't have adjustable steering force, unfortunately.<p>You're right that with the turbo engine, I can keep the revs down compared to the 3.2 NA engine, which helps with the gas mileage. I've been able to climb long uphill sections of road with the engine spinning at only 1800 or 1900 RPM.
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (MAC1LSR)

My experience with my 2009 S80 T6 is much different than yours. On the highway, I am regularly seeing between 27 and 30 mpg (running regular gas). My worst overall average with combined city/hwy has been 22 mpg. I am not necessarily always hammering it, but I do like to get on it every once and a while. I find the weight of the steering to be just about perfect on the S80. For me the deal breaker for the ES were all the little rattles in the dash and a few other irritating noises in the cabin. It is my personal opinion that as long as you are not looking for a back-road carver, the S80 may be one of the best kept secrets in the Luxury class market. I find that the S80 is much more resistant to crosswinds than the ES as well. Hard to believe anyone would not enjoy owning an S80. I am always amazed how many compliments I receive from BMW and MB owners when they ride with me. Most confess that the S80 was not even on their radar when they were shopping, but, that it will definitely be on their lists next time.
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (ImInPA)

ImInPA, that's great gas mileage you're getting. There's hope for me yet. I just need to do less in-town driving and more highway driving. I agree with you that the steering effort level is perfect on the highway, but it's just heavier than I like for parking lot maneuvers and city driving.
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (MAC1LSR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MAC1LSR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree with you that the steering effort level is perfect on the highway, but it's just heavier than I like for parking lot maneuvers and city driving. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, the speed sensitive steering has to be one of the best add on features of the S80. I love how I can do one handed parking or do swift turns with one hand, and use the other hand to grab onto the door handle so I don't fly out of my seat (<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Yeah, I sometimes make quick turns). But on the other hand, the wheel locks up nicely on the interstate, and even slight bumps here and there don't push the car off its track.
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (ImInPA)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vivek9856</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Personally, I would go with the S80 (Not just because I have one and am biased. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p>Reasons:<p>You can get a T6 over the 350's N/A V6, giving you a boatload of low end torque, plus AWD for nasty weather.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not in 2007:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gs1397</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Still shopping around to upgrade my Honda Accord to a 'Luxury' car. My finalists are 2007 S80 and 08 ES 350.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ImInPA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The ES 350 is really just a gussied up Toyota Camry. Nicely done albeit.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually it is a gussied up Avalon. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Not in 2007:<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Doh... I forgot. My bad. I'd still take a 3.2 over the 350 cause the S80 looks sportier on the outside.
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (MagoonR)

Actually, the Avalon has a longer wheelbase. Sorry...it is just a gussied up Camry. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (ImInPA)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ImInPA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, the Avalon has a longer wheelbase. Sorry...it is just a gussied up Camry. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>OOoooo, Magoon got burnt. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Props to you PA.<p>This made my day. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (vivek9856)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vivek9856</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OOoooo, Magoon got burnt. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Props to you PA.<p>This made my day. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was already burnt the other way before:<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=53198" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=53198</A><p>So which is it? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (MagoonR)

Nah...no one gets burnt by me. It is all about learning, and being new to the Volvo ownership group, I am pertty sure you all have a lot to teach me.
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (ImInPA)

Actually the Camry and Avalon are the same as well. Toyota only has I think 3 car platforms. Everything is based on one of those 3 and the Camry and Avalon are the same platform, albeit with a stretched wheelbase.
 

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Re: S80 vs ES350 (Freeworld)

(In my best Forest Gump voice...) And that's all I'm gonna say about that..... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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one of the biggest reasons that would make me choose the volvo s80 (if i had the dilemma) over an ES350 is the fact that volvo designed this car to be as safe and as good as they can make it. Toyota on the on the other hand, built the ES from an existing car just to fill a gap they had in the market, which is a medium-sized luxury sedan. <br>And im sorry, but you cannot compare the exteriors of these two cars, the S80 just looks so much nicer. I just saw a picture of a Heico S80, lowered with heico rims, i must say it's one of the best out there.
 
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