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no I didn't race one. <p>BUT - I'm curious how a mildly to highly modded R would do in a drag or a rolling acceleration run against a stock C5 Z06?<p>I've *toyed* with the idea of selling my R and picking up a used low mileage Z06 as a track toy / weekend toy, and using my S70 as my daily driver to/from work. <p>I've seen videos on the internet of stock and mildly modded C5 Z06s running against Ferraris, Lambosk, other exotics - and BEATING them. I've seen posts on Vette forums where guys easily make close to 400 to the ground with bolt ons..and there are many Z06 owners who just slap on nitrous - which apparently the car takes with no problem - and they are making closer to 500hp to the ground and running in the 11s.<p>Obviously a <U>stock</U> R would be no match for a stock Z06 in any form of acceleration or handling competition. An R that has significant mods - like ECU/dp/exhaust/FMIC would fare better - but my gut tells me that again, even with those levels of mods, the bone stock Z06 would beat the stink out of an R. Add a few mods to the Z06 and even a mega modded R would get beat.<p>Part of the R's problem is weight. The Z06 weighs substantially less than an S60R, and that alone, means that even assuming an R were tuned to 400hp - it would still be far slower than a Z06.<p>I KNOW it's an apples/oranges comparison. It's just that I am hopelessly addicted to speed, and my car is starting to feel slow. When it's freezing cold out and I have good gas, it's fast/fun. But even then, i want more. <p>I have two choices at this point. 1) Sell my R and get something faster OR 2) contiue modding the R and obtain substantially higher power levels. <p>One of my fears is that if I go much further with the R, it may have serious reliability problems and/or have major mechanical problems. Trying to get repair work done on an S60R with a modified turbo/intercooler system would be a PITA. Getting repair work on a Z06 with exhaust would be a breeze. Heck, a stock Z06 with low miles would still be under warranty...<p>So - how fast can I really make my R.....and how much more will it cost me to do it. In my hopeless quest for speed, I wonder if maybe I just need a different car.<p>Kurt - how you likin' that Vette? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 

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Re: S60R v. C5 Z06 (23109VC)

I'd say with a cold air intake and a blue Evolve upper engine mount, a Z06 would be well within reach! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I'll be honest, to get to that level with the R, you are looking at some SERIOUS money... the power you'd have to generate to move like that would not be supported by a mildly modded drivetrain. That fact is, if you like to hit high speeds very quickly, and you want to spend less than 70 grand or so after all is said and done, you need a couple of things...<p>1) Displacement- a small motor like the 2.5 will hit a low ceiling at which it power will become very difficult and expensive to come by. An eight cylinder is overbuilt, and everything does not have to be JUST RIGHT for it not to break when you start modding... starting off at over 100 hp per liter stock is not a good platform for modification in general.<p>2) Rear-wheel drive- It is very easy to break something with a powerful motor coupled with an AWD system that isn't ready to handle it. Look at the R and the angle gear problems! And that is stock. People often damage the driveshaft with hard launches as well while stock. Unless your dealing with a porsche on up, putting big power on an AWD will cause headaches.<p>I'd say your need for speed will remain unsatisfied with the R as your building block. If you are like me, and also have a need for some level of luxury, you will find youself in a very expensive predicament, and you'll either have to compromise, or go broke. Do keep in mind, however, that no matter what your decision, as JRL said recently, there will ALWAYS be someone faster, so don't let that get to you.
 

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Re: S60R v. C5 Z06 (23109VC)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>23109VC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no I didn't race one. <p>BUT - I'm curious how a mildly to highly modded R would do in a drag or a rolling acceleration run against a stock C5 Z06?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well Zigger.......I mean 23109VC.<p>IMO, a C5 Z06 will still dine on your modded R....provided that the Vette driver is competent that is. Depending on what year Z06, they're putting out 385-405hp if I remember correctly. Gobs of low end torque and no heat soak to worry about as well.
 

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A friend of mine has a Z06 with custom Ram-Air intake and Borla Stinger exhaust....I'll see if he wants to line up somewhere and I'll report back and let you know the outcome was.
 

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I have a cousin with a new Saleen Supercharged who outran a Z06 from a slow rolling start. The Corvette owner was not happy, but of course the Saleen would smoke the R easily fro a roll but from a dead stop it might depend more on the driver's skills as the Saleen or Corvette might just set there and smoke the tires with a crappy driver. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by C130 at 9:36 PM 6-16-2006</i>
 

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I've seen vids on the net of the C5 Z06 WALKING the C6 Z06....I couldn't belive it, they ran atleast 5x in a row on the highway C5 got him everytime....as far as I know both were bone stock and manuals.
 

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You may want to reregister here.<br>A DOOD is short for doody, something that we leave in the toilet. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>A DUDE is a cool guy
 

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he hee, jrl you are helping the guy, that is nice. yea, reregister.<p>anyway on topic, "there ain't no substitute for cubic inches" richard petty.
 

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eh...I look at it as "the s60r is "the sh*t (the sh*t means good <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">)""....hahaha
 

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yep, they are nice cars. and all in all they are very nice rides. just kidding jrl but the message is to the topic that cubes will most often win.<p>i guess i am just a little old school about nick names, as i think jrl is too. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Hi Sean! Interesting you should bring this up...<p>If you recall, I bought my dad's V70R from him after he lost his job and he couldn't keep the ride. Well, he got himself a little hiring bonus when he got his new job (finally), and his decision was motivated by the bug I gave him when I let him drive the C6 one day...<p>Here's a snapshot of the garage. Keep in mind it once had an S60R and V70R in there:<br><IMG SRC="http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/8366/bunkmates3wm.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>We cruise together and switch up cars when we're both home. <p>Regarding a modified R vs. any Z06... a bad driver can still coax a sub 13 second 1/4 mile time out of the Z06. A user named 'ranger' on Corvetteforum holds the record for a bone stock C5 Z06, with an ET of [email protected] with a 1.78 60' time. That's right, bone stock! The current best ET posted at Corvetteforum for a C6 Z51 is a 12.23.<p>Basically this means the only car that really had a chance was the iPD V70R project with the 420hp TME package. If I recall, Scott said it ran high 12s, which was pretty good. But you're looking at 10k worth of mods and you would probably have to convince iPD to do it for you. You can pick up a good used C5 Z06 right now for around 30k, so the dollar for horsepower value starts to diminish if you try to mod the R, and so far the best R (to my knowledge) still can't threaten a C5 Z06. When modifying the R, you will always have to contend with the weight, the AWD, and the tempermental nature of the car, none of which are condusive to performance gains.<p>One thing I have to say - your R is faster than you think. The R's never did a good job of conveying speed or urgency. This was in part due to the luxury aspect and the isolation the driver had from noise, vibration, and harshness. My friend has an 03 Mustang GT. That thing feels way fast because of the torque, the drivetrain lurch between shifts, and the sound. I lined the old S60R up against it and beat him to 60, and did so comfortably and smoothly. It was deceiving at times.<p>Are you looking for a toy, a cruiser, a track car, a showpiece, what? The C5 Z06 makes a great track car or toy. It really is a beast. The interior is a bad tupperware experiment, each gear pushes you back in the seat, the inside shakes with the exhaust rumble, and there are gobs of torque all over. It's absolute pure fun... for 1-2 hours. I wanted one but couldn't live with that environment as the only ride. I found the C6 to provide 95% of the performance but with the capability to be your only car if you were living solo. The C5 Z06 is basically a bolt-on C5 from the factory, a race car if you will. Though only a tick or two quicker, I'll admit it's more fun to drive for short periods of time than the C6. It just has that raw, visceral feel. You'll grin from ear to ear. <p>Recognize what you're giving up though if you make the switch - four seats, luxury, and safety. I know you have a family, so that's why I say that. Also, your car with the Evolve kit and exhaust is a unique looking/sounding car, not something you see everyday. A nicely modified Volvo is something to be proud of. Furthermore, it is pure stealth. I accidently blew by a cop at 15-20 over on the highway in the R a few times only to get no recognition or ticket. You can't do that in a 'vette. I drive slower in the 'vette than I used to in the R, it just draws too much police attention. But on the other hand, 'vette owners form a fraternity of sorts. I've made many good friends who have helped me out simply because we both owned Corvettes. Plus, you get your foot in the door and can be welcome in other crowds (Viper clubs, exotic car clubs, etc, tend to be receptive and open to having you at their events). <p>Braking in the two cars is close I think, not really sure, and the handling can be made somewhat comparable in terms of skidpad G's, but the extra weight may show on a road course and I really don't think an R, driver's being equal, could outhandle one on a typical road course.<p>01 Z06 - 385 hp, 02-04 Z06, 405hp. The 03 is the 50th anniversary year, so the prices may be a little higher. For 2004, a commemorative edition in blue with red and silver stripes came out, and it commands a higher price. 2001s tend to be the "bastard child" of the line just because of hp, but you can easily get that 385hp up to 405 and beyond. The 2004 had upgraded shock absorbers that came as a result of some testing on the 'ring in Germany. 2001 was the only year for white, the rarest color and in my opinion, the best looking for the body style. Another thing to consider, the 99 and 2000 C5 hardtop. It was the predecessor to the Z06 in that it had the same bodystyle, but the 350 hp LS1 from the regular C5. Think of it as a lightweight C5. These are rare cars and are cool in their own right.<p>If you're uncertain about the right thing to do, the most dangerous thing you can do right now is go and test drive one. Trust me on that!<p>Forum:<br><A HREF="http://www.corvetteforum.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.corvetteforum.com</A><p>Feel free to ask any more Q's, here or at the 'vette forum. They're nice over there.<p>A few more pics:<p><IMG SRC="http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4705/800dsc04977jm.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/5509/800dsc04907am.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6346/800dsc04824jf.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/5310/800dsc05507gj.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6894/800dsc05703rd.jpg" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: S60R v. C5 Z06 (23109VC)

Man, go racing. Anything, autocross, high performace track events, rent a car and go wheel to wheel. If all you need is to cut loose and feel some adrenalin then there are many avenues you can persue while not turning your R into a car that it isn't.<br>First thing is first, subscribe to Grassroots motorsports magazine and go from there. Getting involved isn't that hard you just have to know where to look.<p>Enjoy, <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Hey Kurt good to see you around. I've caught the Vette bug myself.......SERIOUSLY considering picking one of these up early '07.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.2bluesc.com/pictures/Corvette/c6%20z06/black-c6-z06.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Love the all black look.
 

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Man, now THAT car is HAWT! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Stupid question, but is that a special version, or modded?<br>Awesome car, nonetheless! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R Salesman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Man, now THAT car is HAWT! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Make my Z06 yellow please. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Eric_H</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stupid question, but is that a special version, or modded?<br>Awesome car, nonetheless! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>well yes and no....its a new Z06, so I guess its a "special edition"...<p>all it is black w/ powdercoated stock rims.<p>I think that is the EXACT color combo I want. Yellow is nice too! <p>then headers, intake, tune, and a cam to top it off. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>550whp+
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R Salesman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Man, now THAT car is HAWT! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Couldnt agree more.......I love clean, all black cars. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Though I do have to say, the seats in the new Z06 aren't all that great. There is the possibility of swapping them out for some nice, light, comfortable Recaro's or the like and keeping the stock seats in the attic. When I get that car, its going to see the track. <p>Sorry for the OT, just love that car! After driving one i'm hooked. <p>Hope everyone has a happy fathers day and a great weekend. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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