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Hi all - <p>I am new to this forum, although I have owned a 97 850R Wagon for 7 years now. Having just dropped $400 for a new fuel pump, its time to get a new rig.<p>So I have narrowed it down to a 2004 S60R or a 2003 C32 AMG. The C32 is going to be about $4-5k more money, and it is also a bit faster. <p>All other things being equal, how is a S60R with $4k in mods going to fair against a C32? <p>Also, I have read that the S60R does 0-60 in anywhere from 5.2 to 6.4 seconds. Which numbers are right?<p>Thank you in advance for your help with my purchase. If you feel I can beef the S60R up with $4k enough to compete with the AMG, please post the mods you would suggest.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: S60R v C32 AMG ??? (Tagsley)

IPD ECU ($995) + IPD Exhaust ($1,095) + IPD Downpipe ($1,400).<p>Should be good for 50HP. And they give you a discount if you buy them together.<p>Might as well get the airfilter they offer while you are at it.<p><A HREF="http://www.ipdusa.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ipdusa.com</A> Their website is not the best, but give them a call as their customer service is top notch!<p>
 

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Re: S60R v C32 AMG ??? (Tagsley)

Are you looking at a manual S60R or an automatic? There's a big difference in performance right there. THe automatic is torque limited to 258 ftlbs (I believe) though you can eliminate it with a chip. 0-60 I think adds 2 seconds with the auto.
 

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Re: S60R v C32 AMG ??? (mike_c70)

Have you considered the C43? That's a cool car. Don't know what they go for though.
 

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Re: S60R v C32 AMG ??? (Tagsley)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tagsley</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi all... <br>...I have read that the S60R does 0-60 in anywhere from 5.2 to 6.4 seconds. Which numbers are right?... <br></TD></TR></TABLE> <br>Depends on who,when, and which. <br><b>WHO:</b><br>Some drivers are better than others working the clutch and the first part of your launch is crucial as to how you'll do on your time. <br><b>WHEN:</b><br>When (weather conditions) really makes an impact on 0-60 times. Temps at 65F and lower and you will get closer to 5.5 sec range. Temps of 80F and up and you're up in the six second range. <br><b>WHICH:</b><br>'Which' refers to transmissions (GT or 6MT) and model (V or S) . MT is generally quicker on the MY04/05 as the torque was limited on the five speed GT's (06 models went to a six-speed GT with higher torque). Sedans are a little lighter and a little quicker - Wagons haul more S*&%. <p>Good luck with the decision. <p>- Polartek<br>
 

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Re: S60R v C32 AMG ??? (Kaizai)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kaizai</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IPD ECU ($995) + IPD Exhaust ($1,095) + IPD Downpipe ($1,400).<p>Should be good for 50HP. And they give you a discount if you buy them together.<p>Might as well get the airfilter they offer while you are at it.<p><A HREF="http://www.ipdusa.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ipdusa.com</A> Their website is not the best, but give them a call as their customer service is top notch!<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Polartek</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <b>WHEN:</b><br>When (weather conditions) really makes an impact on 0-60 times. Temps at 65F and lower and you will get closer to 5.5 sec range. Temps of 80F and up and you're up in the six second range. <br>- Polartek<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Throw another ~$900 at it for IPD's Aquamist and then don't worry about the <B>WHEN</B>. Read about it <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=61702" TARGET="_blank"><U>here</U></A><p>So for around $4400 you'll have one darn fast car!<br>Oh, and if you don't plan to install all the parts yourself add a few hours of labour on top of that (~2hrs for DP&exhaust and 2-4hrs for the Aquamist). In the end you'll have one smokin' fast R AWD machine! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>LTA<p>
 

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Re: S60R v C32 AMG ??? (LTA)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LTA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Throw another ~$900 at it for IPD's Aquamist and then don't worry about the <B>WHEN</B>. Read about it <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=61702" TARGET="_blank"><U>here</U></A><p>So for around $4400 you'll have one darn fast car!<br>Oh, and if you don't plan to install all the parts yourself add a few hours of labour on top of that (~2hrs for DP&exhaust and 2-4hrs for the Aquamist). In the end you'll have one smokin' fast R AWD machine! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>LTA</TD></TR></TABLE><br>...and no warrenty<br>
 

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Re: S60R v C32 AMG ??? (NRM8573)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>NRM8573</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>...and no warrenty<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>that is debatable<p>
 

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Re: S60R v C32 AMG ??? (NRM8573)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>NRM8573</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have you considered the C43? That's a cool car. Don't know what they go for though.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>C32 is faster. With very minimal mods those things are sick. Saw one with a chip beat an F360 once from a roll <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Anyway I'm no Merc fan and even less of an AMG fan and I'd take the volvo, but performance wise the C32 is a different league
 

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Re: S60R v C32 AMG ??? (JCviggen)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JCviggen</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">C32 is faster. With very minimal mods those things are sick. Saw one with a chip beat an F360 once from a roll <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Forgive me....but what does a chip do to a supercharged engine?
 

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Re: S60R v C32 AMG ??? (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Forgive me....but what does a chip do to a supercharged engine?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Probably the same as it does to an M3. Chip, CAI, Exhaust, maybe 20 hp, better throttle response, etc.<br>I had a Dinan 540, stage 2. It was supposedly good for about 18hp. I COULD feel a LITTLE seat of the pants hp, but not a heck of a lot
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JCviggen</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Okay, a chip and a pulley is what the C32 needs to go from 13.6 1/4 mile stock to 12.4<p>not exactly expensive upgrades</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I call BS on this one. Shaving over a second off the quarter takes a sizeable bump in horsepower and IMO, these mods wouldn't be enough.
 

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I think he's talking about changing the pulley that drives the supercharger. A simple pulley change could take you from 5 psi to 15 psi rather easily, and then the chip will control A/F. And, truthfully, pulley's aren't that expensive.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R Salesman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think he's talking about changing the pulley that drives the supercharger. A simple pulley change could take you from 5 psi to 15 psi rather easily, and then the chip will control A/F. And, truthfully, pulley's aren't that expensive.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R Salesman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think he's talking about changing the pulley that drives the supercharger. A simple pulley change could take you from 5 psi to 15 psi rather easily, and then the chip will control A/F. And, truthfully, pulley's aren't that expensive.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>correct...<p>And you can hit up some MB boards to see for yourself...<p><A HREF="http://users.pandora.be/JCviggen/C32.avi" TARGET="_blank">Here</A> is the video I dug up of the C32 with abovementioned mods against the F360.<p><br>But like I said, I'd still buy an R, I hate AMGs <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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apples and oranges... The C32 will feel much more composed and eccelerate better but the R is much more fun IMO. I am assumng that you are looking at the automatic C32 as very few manuals were made and those are extremely rare.
 

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Thanks for all the pointers fellas. <p>I have never seen myself as an MB guy, and am leaning toward the S60R. I suppose it doesn't have to be faster than the C32, however my brother just bought a G35 and it does have to be faster than that.<p>If I could ask a few more questions please...<p>1. Which of those mods void the warranty, and which don't?<br>2. I would rather have the Automatic if its even close to the manual in performance. (I live in San Francisco) How much of a drop is it?<br>3. Why is the KBB value on this car so low? I show low 20s for a 2004, and they sell for mid to high 20s in my area.<p>ps - thanks for the video...that was really something!<br>
 

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Re: S60R v C32 AMG ??? (Tagsley)

<p><br><B>Also, I have read that the S60R does 0-60 in anywhere from 5.2 to 6.4 seconds. Which numbers are right?</B><p>I am probably biased but as former AMG owner, there is no comparison IMO. AMG is in a different league.<br>0-60 times IMHO have as much value for most of us as lateral g for NHRA. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> BTW AMG is hard to lunch smoothly, to much torque and very intrusive (can't be turned off completely) traction control.<br>I respectfully disagree when people are quoting 0-60 right and left; these times are too driver dependent and have little practical implication in the real world. Unless one is racing from every traffic light...What matters in real world are rolling times: 5-60, 50-70, 70-120, etc. where AMG models are far superior not only to R but to a lot of other high performance cars. AMG engines are famous for their low end torque, 90% of which is available literally from 1200 rpm. AMG brakes are at least as effective as Brembo. In my R I tried once to slow down from relatively high speed entering my exit just like I did in MB several times before and almost ended up in a ditch... Of course R has different weight/weight distribution, etc. but still... AMG suspension is first class as well. Some may disagree but AMG seats (with 4 air pumps) are most comfortable and anatomically correct I ever sat in.<br>To me it's no brainer AMG all the way...<p><B>R Rated: I am assumng that you are looking at the automatic C32 as very few manuals were made and those are extremely rare.</B><p>AMG doesn't make cars with manual transmission. I never heard of one. If you saw it, it's probably aftermarket. <br>
 

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I was looking at a C32 AMG too, but the fact that it doesn't come in a manual completely turned me off. <p>I drove one back-to-back w/ an E46 M3. The AMG felt like a much more comfortable, solid and faster car. But it was boring. <p>For the price, especially used, it's hard to beat the S60R. Niether the M3 or C32 felt like they were $5-15k better than the R. My brother agreed, and he owns (and races) an M3.
 
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