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Hey everyone,<br>I am planning on purchasing a new car in the next few weeks, and am looking at a 2002 M3 and '04-'05 S60R, both with low mileage.<p>I was wondering if anyone had any experience with both and could give me some advice? I am not married and don't have kids, so two doors is not really an issue for me. Also what are the maintenance costs like for both? And the reliability? any other things to take into account? Overall which would you reccomend? Again thanks for any help in advance.
 

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Re: S60R or M3? (Kivas)

Others will chime in on what I don't answer. The main reason for my purchase was kids. That for me is the R factor. I had a 2002 M3 prior to my R. I like the exclusivity of the R much more than the <B>common M3</B>. Also the insurance on my M3 was double what the R is and my R is 2 years newer with 60,000 less miles. I would go for the R if you like exclusivity and turbo cars with much lower insurance. If you don't mind having a <B>common </B>car and double the insurance, get the M3. Both are wonderful cars all the way around. Rick
 

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what do you want and how much are you spending?<p>If you DON'T have kids and DON"T need 4 doors, or "volvo safety", then just get an M3.<p>In stock form, the M3 will kick the crap out of an S60R in every performance measure.<p>If you mod your S60R - then you can get the car up to or beyond M3 power levels.<p>Figure stock vs. stock - if you want performance, and price is NOT an issue - then the M3 is the easy pick. <p>I haven't looked at pricing, but I'm guessing the S60R can be had for quite a bit cheaper than an M3. If you factor in $5000 in mods - like an ECU/dp/exhaust/springs/sway bars - then you'll have an S60R that will probably have no problem keeping up with the M3, and will handle really well.<p>If I was in your shoes - and I wanted a sporty sedan type car - I would have bought the M3 - hands down. BUT - I have two kids and I MUST have 4 doors. So for me, the M3 really wasn't an option.<p>Test drive them and see what you think.<p>If you don't have kids and you want a sporty car, why not say screw it and get a roadster! Pick up a nice Boxster S or an SLK350 - and live a little!!! I think every guy should own a two seater convertible at least ONCE in their life. I had one when I was in college..and it was so much fun. When my kids get older, or when I can rationalize a THIRD car strictly for ME for FUN - I'm going to get a two seater convertible. Maybe a Boxster S, maybe a supercharged or Turbo S2000, but something small, fast, and fun. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>but as to YOUR question - if you're considering the M3, then you probably value performance. I think you'll like the M3 more.<p>What are prices like? If the price savings of buying the S60R is $10k or so...then it might make sense to get an R, and add a few mods, and save the cash - if money is tight.<p>
 

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Re: S60R or M3? (Kivas)

I'm in the same situation...after pretty much ruling out an 05',06' EvoMR and a 02-04 Z06, the E46 M3 and S60R are the only two left in my choices...I absolutely hate the M3 interior but have not driven one yet, I have a feeling after driving the M3, I'm going to be swayed to the darkside....the M side. However mods are expensive, very expensive, for the BMW while the Volvo can be modded very nicely for pretty cheap (well cheap compared to a $15k supercharger or $3k exhaust)...I'm guessing you are looking in the mid 30s because thats what the 02 M3s are basically going for...good luck
 

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As others have mentioned. M3 is common but extremely fast. S60R is exclusive and can be made to be pretty darn fast (for cheaper too).<p>On another note, I've sat in an 06 M3 and I dont know the interior differences with the 02s but I was NOT impressed at all. Radio looked fugly and gauges are blah. Over all the dash left me wanting. Granted the R's dash is no treasure but it definitely has a little more style than the M. Seats...well the R has the damned nicest seats I've sat in. I could do with a little bigger side bolsters in the R but they are still damn comfy.
 

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i agree on interiors. M3 interior sucks. the R's is pretty nice.<p>Quite a few people have gone for rides in my car, and afterward are VERY surpised at how fast and how nice it is. They were expecing a mommy type car....and instead got scared. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>the reason you can't get much power out of an M3, without spending an arm and a leg is that the car is already tuned pretty well from the factory. You can't get much more power out of that car. Which is good and bad. Good if you want to buy a car and leave it stock. Bad if you want to tune your car. <p>The R can be made MUCH faster for not too much money. If you add the basic ECU/dp/exhaust - you're looking at roughly $3000. That will add a rock solid 50hp to your car. maybe a bit more. it's a lot. after driving my car and then driving a stock R, I feltl ike the stock car was slow.<p>I bet you can find a nice ow mileage used R in the mid 20s. a used M3 will be $10k more. if you dropped that $10k in the R, you'd smoke the M.<p>- the other day, I was driving home and a guy in a C5 Vette Vert pulls up next to me (my windows were down) and he says "that's the most friggin' hot looking volvo i've ever seen, i can't believe it's a volvo". He says "is it fast". I toldh im it probably had about asm uch hp as his car...maybe a bit more. when the light turned green, i let him hear my exhaust. he in turn wanted me to hear his exhaust. i was suprised to see his car NOT passing mine, but in fact, going further and further backward...maybe he wanted to read my license plate. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> i got a nice thumbs up afterward. i think he was surpised at how quick teh R was. those are heavy cars, like our cars, and rated at 350hp.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tekk</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As others have mentioned. M3 is common but extremely fast. S60R is exclusive and can be made to be pretty darn fast (for cheaper too).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This statement always perplexes me. I can't imagine that BMW produces more M3's/year than S60R but the product cycle is longer which may be the culprit...or perhaps its a regional thing. I don't see many M3's in this area.
 

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i see WAY more M3s than S60Rs. <p>a souped up S60R...with an EVOLVE kit or sport kit, lowered, exhaust...is so rare you'll never see another one unless you go to a volvo meet or something.<p>my car turns more heads than 99% of the M3s out there.
 

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Re: S60R or M3? (Kivas)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kivas</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey everyone,<br>I am planning on purchasing a new car in the next few weeks, and am looking at a 2002 M3 and '04-'05 S60R, both with low mileage.<p>I was wondering if anyone had any experience with both and could give me some advice? I am not married and don't have kids, so two doors is not really an issue for me. Also what are the maintenance costs like for both? And the reliability? any other things to take into account? Overall which would you reccomend? Again thanks for any help in advance.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>you should PM Zigger on this matter. he is a regidteres M3 offender so should not be hard to find
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>23109VC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>If you don't have kids and you want a sporty car, why not say screw it and get a roadster! Pick up a nice Boxster S or an SLK350 - and live a little!!! I think every guy should own a two seater convertible at least ONCE in their life. I had one when I was in college..and it was so much fun. When my kids get older, or when I can rationalize a THIRD car strictly for ME for FUN - I'm going to get a two seater convertible. Maybe a Boxster S, maybe a supercharged or Turbo S2000, but something small, fast, and fun. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE>ever think about the lotus? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> i stop by Desert Euro Motorcars all teh time and lust after one. Ive decided ot keep the R after the lease..so maybe once that's paid off, i'll treat myself <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> I was thinking about getting an M3 instead...but financially, keeping the R is the best thing to do, since it'll be paid off, and ill have a car that I actually own. If i do that, there's no reason to get an M3, since i'll be modding the R, and there's no reason to have 2 compact sport sedan/coupes, so i'd need a "fun" car for the weekends <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Stock for stock this is how they run. S60R is on the Right, M3 on the left.<p><IMG SRC="http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/t34will/time.jpg" BORDER="0">
 

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Get an Audi S4. It's like taking the best of the M3 and the S60R.
 

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I think another reason is that both the M3 and R are understated in terms of styling differential from the vehicles they are based on. <p>There are alot more 3 series running around than S60's as well... Thus the M3 might seem more common for that reason...
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>dugums</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think another reason is that both the M3 and R are understated in terms of styling differential from the vehicles they are based on. <p>There are alot more 3 series running around than S60's as well... Thus the M3 might seem more common for that reason...</TD></TR></TABLE> And the simple fact that BMW has the same body style for 6-10 years.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This statement always perplexes me. I can't imagine that BMW produces more M3's/year than S60R but the product cycle is longer which may be the culprit...or perhaps its a regional thing. I don't see many M3's in this area.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think it's regional as I just saw 2 M3's on my way to FedEx-Kinko's & back (5 miles roundtrip), and I have yet to see another R on the road since I purchased my car. If you look at the map the density of R owners in SoCal isn't really there, it's more of in the seasonal parts of the country.<p>All of my friends who I've driven in it are really impressed with the feel & interior look, the biggest comment from the back seat is the comfy seats and directional air vents between the front seats & back seats. Since it's been over 80-85 degrees ever since I purchased the car, and bhp performance is hurt by hot weather, I'm having fun, but I'm expecting to have a bit more fun once cooler weather comes around.
 

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I have been there and done the M3 a couple of times. Once you own one you probobly won't own another if you like to customize your car. Add ons are very $$$$$$$ and they don't do much. The reason I love the R so much is because it IS MINE and I CUSTOMIZED IT! When I had the M3's I was pretty much the same as the rest (and that is with 10,000 in mods, most of which you could not see) So, if you would like to make a car TRULY your OWN DESIGN and seperate yourself from the masses get the R. If you want great performance but common looks out of the box go for the M
 
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