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<A HREF="http://www.partsforvolvosonline.com/product_info.php?cPath=28_270_419&products_id=2344" TARGET="_blank">http://www.partsforvolvosonlin...=2344</A><p>Regarding this PPC upgrade, has anyone had experience with it on a US-spec car circa 2002 where they comment on performance, affect on turbocharger/auto tranny/angle gear longevity and if it moves the whole torque curve up causing less pickup from a standstill?<p>Any recommendations on what other relatively inexpensive mods should be done if this software is used (sport air filter, etc)?<p>Thanks again!
 

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good tune at a good price.<p>Its not the best, and if you plan on further modifications you probably want to go with RICA or IPD as they are "downpipe friendly".
 

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What exactly do you mean by "Downpipe friendly"?<p>I've had the ppc for a while, and am getting a downpipe done in the next little bit... as far as I understood, they offered a free "stage 2" tune, to compensate for the downpipe
 

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there are about 1,000,000 threads on this elsewhere (one just the other week).<p>BSR - DOES NOT support a downpipe and recommends AGAINST getting one with their tune. This comes from BSR themselves.<p>You have a RICA tune, you are fine.
 

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Re: S60 AWD PPC software upgrade (landsmarra)

It actually doesn't move any torque up at all, maybe down.<br>This is a <B>low PRM engine</B> with all the power and torque down at the bottom of the ROM range, it pukes out over 5200 RPM.<p>You will gain a <U>HUGE amount of low end torque</U>, fun for street driving and very flexible.<br>However BSR is totally full of sh*t, you will get about 35 HP and about 30 ft lbs of torque on that engine, still a great gain.<br>Do either a RICA or an IPD flash, better tune.<br>Forget the BSR
 

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Re: S60 AWD PPC software upgrade (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>However BSR is totally full of sh*t, you will get about 35 HP and about 30 ft lbs of torque on that engine, still a great gain.<br>Do either a RICA or an IPD flash, better tune.<br>Forget the BSR</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agreed. If you got any problems with the car not running right after the tune or such, BSR will be of no help. You'll be on your own. It's fine with a new car, but older cars more often than not have "stage 0" problems, like vacuum leaks, dying sensors, plugs, etc that will manifest with the tune.<br>
 

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Re: S60 AWD PPC software upgrade (Mika)

Mika,<p>Your point is well taken. Granted, this is a 2002 car that (as far as I know) has never been modified. Based on prior experience, I know the car must be in a good state of tune and making proper factory boost before modifying it (spent lots of money on an old Audi bringing it up to spec before modding it--and that cost enough in itself).<p>If I take it, the first thing getting done is the 60K service so that's new plugs/filters/etc. As to vacuum leaks, I guess I'd have to install a boost gauge to see if I'm hitting proper boost--not sure how much a visual inspection would reveal unless the hoses are really shot or are split in a place that's easy to see. My mechanic gave the car a once-over but didn't note anything other than soft coolant hoses (which I'd replace). I'd have no problem grabbing a vacuum hose kit (if available) and replacing them all in one shot. As to dying sensors, who knows? Would that be anything that would come up as a diagnostic code?<p>Else, the car could probably use tires, a tranny flush, coolant flush, fuel injection service and a valve cover gasket but none of those would affect boost. I fully expected to put maybe $1500 in the car to sort it out to start.
 

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Re: S60 AWD PPC software upgrade (landsmarra)

Sounds like you know what you're doing. And when you face problems there's always SwedeSpeed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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From what I understand on the EST website, the PPC tune, is "powered by RICA"... so... I'm fine?<p>Bender said earlier, from what I understood, that the PPC tune wasn't downpipe friendly? They also offer free stage 2 and 3 upgrades, for after you get a downpipe... so it SOUNDS fine...
 

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The PPC is simply the interface used to access ecu via OBD. Rica happens to use this interface but the software is RICA and not BSR so with RICA you should be fine with a downpipe provided the tune for it.
 

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So I'm playing devil's advocate here but I am looking at the same thing for my 2002 AWD, the BRS PPC that is. <p>It appears as though BSR does sell PPC tunes for the 2002 2.4T that supports the 3" DP -<p><A HREF="http://en.bsr.se/products/t521" TARGET="_blank">http://en.bsr.se/products/t521</A>/<p>As far as I know there is no difference between the FWD and AWD except for the actual shape of the DP to clear the angle gear on the AWD models. I know we would have to use the R model DP to clear the AWD but a 3" downpipe is a 3" downpipe. So why wouldn't this work on the 2002 2.4T AWD???<p>Everyone is saying that BSR doesn't support DPs when they sell 4 different tuning kits on their main site, Stages 3 and 4 include 3" downpipes.<p>I just sent a pretty lengthy email to BSR to get some current feedback from them on this matter. But please help me to understand why I can't use a DP with BSR tune??
 

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its not that you CAN'T its that there is no tune that takes advantage of it. Because of that you may actually lose power on a DP (or at least not gain any).<p>Additionally for 1600 euros (about 2100 dollars) you can get any damn tune and downpipe you please!
 

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Here is what BSR had to say about this matter:<p> <I><br>SR: 2009-05-08 07:46<br>Hello Brandon,<p>We do have up to stage 4 for your car model, stage 4 is though only put together at BSR Sweden in Vaxjo (Head office), this is due to the special mapping it requires.<p>Up to stage 3 is no problem to assemble by yourself.<p>Regarding the rumor at different forums:<p>Of course you can use a 3"downpipe with our stage 3, it even requires a 3" downpipe. The thing is that you have to use BSR 3" downpipe for us to guarantee driveability, perfomence, and durability. We have developed our software together with a specific type of downpipe wich has a certain back pressure, and a specific catalytic converter efficacy.<p>If you use another manufacturers downpipe it will not have this exact character and it then may not work as it should. If you use another manufacturers products combined with our stage and experience problem, we cannot give a correct support due to no knowledge about other manufacturers products spec.<p>This is also written in the manual, page 2:<br><A HREF="http://en.bsr.se/docs/ppcv2_uk.pdf" TARGET="_blank">http://en.bsr.se/docs/ppcv2_uk.pdf</A><p>I hope this explanation was good enough, and we would be happy to see you as our customer.<p>Best regards /BSR<br></I> <p>Note that this applies to the 2.4T FWD, the AWD is the exact same except that you would be using the R model DP to clear the AWD components.
 

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this totally conflicts with something that they, themselves, posted on this very board. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"><p>At this point, I (personally) don't care which is correct, if they can't get their message straight...
 

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Could you point me to the thread where a BSR representative contradicted this current statement?<p>I understand this isn't a pressing matter for you Bender, but it is weighing heavily on my decision for an ECU upgrade. And so far I have only seen hear say on this board mixed with positive results from the BSR tune, now BSR themselves are currently standing by the statement that the DP is supported in the Stage 3 and 4 tunes.
 

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I will absolutely find it for you, but consider this while I look:<p>A RICA Tune from EurosportTuning with a Phuz Downpipe will be less than the price BSR is quoting, by about 600 bucks
 

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BSR: 05-17-06 09:11 pm<br>Hello Adam,<p>I want to purchase a downpipe now along with the Bsr PPC kit and exhaust. Can I do that?<p>BSR: No. There will be no power increase what so ever and we do not have a sw suitable for a 3"downpipe (steg3).<p>Best regards /BSR<p><br>got this from a thread giraffe put up - cant find original.
 

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great description of the issue:<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=117286" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=117286</A>
 

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Right, I have read both of those, the first quote is in reference to an R model as well as the thread you linked to. From what I have found out this is true for the R models but not the 2.4T. The R already has the 19t and bigger DP than the 2.4T, BSR doesn't sell an upgraded DP for the R because the stock is good enough, there would be minimal gains with a bigger DP than stock. Hence why they don't support upgraded DPs for the R model.<p>However, when it comes to the 2.4T, they do indeed manufacture an upgraded DP and they offer tunes that accommodate their DPs.<p>
 

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RICA PPC is $995 from EST plus $675 for the Phuz DP adds up to $1,670.<p>BSR PPC is $680 for my car from Vector plus $675 for the Phuz DP adds up to $1,355.<p>Honestly the $300 doesn't make any difference to me, I'd pay whatever it costs as long as it works well. I am thinking I will buy the BSR PPC first, then the DP, get the new tune and then see what it's like.<p><br>I think we have just about covered everything I was curious about. Thanks for entertaining my questions, I appreciate the input and hope everyone has a nice day.
 
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