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Just like they're handling the problems they've had up to now, right? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/09/us.iraq.ap/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI....html</A><p><b>WASHINGTON (AP) -- If Iraq were to plunge into all-out civil war the U.S. military would depend on Iraq's own security forces to deal with it "to the extent they are able to," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Thursday.</b> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>And as for all that "Progress" some ppl keep preaching about?<p><i>"Also responding to Byrd's question, Gen. John Abizaid, head of the U.S. Central Command, suggested that Iraq has been moving in the direction of civil war."</i><p><i>"Abizaid also described the situation in Iraq as "changing in its nature from insurgency toward sectarian violence."</i><p>Yeeeep, thats what I call progress, right there. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (Whitay)

Let's look on the bright side. In case of civil war, Rummy is saying the Iraqi's themselves will have to handle it. At least he is not saying that he wants US troops to intercede. <p>I'm seeing two problems right off the bat though.<p>1. US troops are everywhere and as soon as they are threatened, which won't take long, they'll have to fight back in self-defence. Once that happens, one side or the other (but most probably both) will accuse the US of taking sides and we will be caught right in the middle of it with everyone gunning for us.<br>2. I don't trust Rummy anyway.
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (Brahms)

Makes ya proud doesn't it? <p>All that "Leadership" being put to good use by doing things like invading countries that did nothing, lying to the American ppl incessantly, willingly, KNOWINGLY, Katrina, selling our ports to terrorist nations, illegal wiretapping, unlawful detention of enemy combatants, TORTURE. . . .I could go on and on. . .<p>Yeah, I know I'm proud! lol <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>All of you ppl that voted for Bush. . .and then voted for him a SECOND time. Pat yourselves on the back. You did us all proud! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Lets see, all we've managed to do in all that mess, is disgrace our nation and its ppl. <p>WAY TO GO! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (Whitay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Whitay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All of you ppl that voted for Bush. . .and then voted for him a SECOND time. Pat yourselves on the back. You did us all proud! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Don't blame me, I voted for Bill and Opus (for all of you that remember Bloom County), not W and Dick. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>But, Rummy's right. Logically speaking, if US troops take part in an Iraqi Civil War it can't really be called an Iraqi Civil War now can it? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (US R n UK)

No, it'll just be the further murdering of ppl that did nothing to cause this ENTIRE mess in the first place. <p>At what point do we actually begin to correct our error, instead of trying to fix an unfixable problem? <p>Correcting our error, IMHO, is the first step to fixing this mess. <p>Pipe dream? Probably, but its better than ANYTHING we've tried thus far. And thus far, we have what to show for $400billion? Oh yeah, the virge of a civil war. <p>Not money well spent. . .nor brain cells well spent for that matter. (Not ours, those that claim to be "Fixing" this problem)
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (Whitay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Whitay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, it'll just be the further murdering of ppl that did nothing to cause this ENTIRE mess in the first place. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nonsense - by definition civil wars have internal causes (the US occupation isn't an internal cause). Not blaming the Iraqi's for their civil war would make no more sense than not blaming the Americans (of that era) for ours. <br>
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (US R n UK)

Oh so freakin' typical. . .<p>Its all their fault, you're right, the US had NO hand in this crap whatsoever. <p>Give me a freakin' break dood. . .<p>Now, you'll come back and say, "We didnt! We didnt blow up that Mosque!" And you'll be right! But still missing the point. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (Whitay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Whitay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh so freakin' typical. . .<p>Its all their fault, you're right, the US had NO hand in this crap whatsoever. <p>Give me a freakin' break dood. . .<p>Now, you'll come back and say, "We didnt! We didnt blow up that Mosque!" And you'll be right! But still missing the point. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No - I think the point is that killing those whose goal is civil war would hardly be murdering people who have nothing to do with that whole mess. Those that seek civil war clearly are just as major a part of the problem as the US military.<p>It's not that the US had no hand in this - it's that killing people who want civil war is NOT killing innocents.<p>UKMatt
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (ukmatt)

well, according to the news (and we know how wrong they are, right? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> ) its coming from both sides, so you're gonna have to kill every damn body involved. <p>Its murder. . .they did nothing to us, we invaded them, we destabilized their country over a guy that couldnt "bring conventional power to bear on his neighbors" and somehow its justifiable to kill their ppl. . .<p>Riiiiight, maybe in Fairyland.
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (Whitay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Whitay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh so freakin' typical. . .<p>Its all their fault, you're right, the US had NO hand in this crap whatsoever. <p>Give me a freakin' break dood. . .<p>Now, you'll come back and say, "We didnt! We didnt blow up that Mosque!" And you'll be right! But still missing the point. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No you've missed the point (<i>Oh so freakin' typical</i>). I never said we had no role in it (again, like the US intelligence community and the Bush Administration your assumptions about me and what I believe area all wrong - when will you ever learn). I agree that we opened this can of worms with the invasion/occupation, but we didn't make it a can of worms. It was a can of worms long before anybody responsible for the US invasion was ever born. The <b><i>fundamental causes</b></i> of any civil war in Iraq will have everything to do with the nature of Iraqi society - not the US presence in Iraq (a proximate cause yes - but not the fundemental cause).
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (US R n UK)

When will I learn? Probably a lot sooner than you will. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>As for Iraq. . .Saddam had it under control, just fine. Unlike the Almighty United States who hasn't had control of crap in iraq since "Mission Accomplished". lol<p>Yet, we'll continue to improve our control by killing more of their ppl who did what? Nuttin' honey! lol
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (Whitay)

The US had a hand in it by removing a dictator and tyrant from power Saddam. He had maintained peace among Iraqi's by brutal force but it worked even though we don't agree with it. Sunni Shiete hate has a long history.<p>Same could be said about the former rulers of Boznia, Hungary led by dictators who kept their contries from civil war by force and fear. The people learned to live at peace with one another, even marry until the dictator was diposed and the hate surfaced again.<p>Bush and the Generals believed wrongly that when Saddam was removed the Iraqi people would join together and form a democratic government, allowing our military to quickly be shipped home, as we've seen didn't happen. Instead we fractured the country back into the two religious groups and those intern fractured back into the family beduin tribes who all want their share.
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (Whitay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Whitay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When will I learn? Probably a lot sooner than you will. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I figured you out a long time ago - along with everybody else on this board. You haven't figured me out yet, but keep trying if you like. lol<p>Saddam had Iraq under control, true. But when have you ever thought the way he did it was "just fine"? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (US R n UK)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>US R n UK</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I figured you out a long time ago - along with everybody else on this board. You haven't figured me out yet, but keep trying if you like. lol<p>Saddam had Iraq under control, true. But when have you ever thought the way he did it was "just fine"? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>There's nothing worth figuring out. . .<p><br>
 

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Re: Rumsfeld: U.S. would rely on Iraqi forces in civil war (Whitay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Whitay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's nothing worth figuring out. . .</TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol <p>But what about your thoughts on the way Saddam kept Iraq under control? You fine with that?
 
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