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Here you go everyone, hot off the press! The April 2001 Road and Track comparison between the BMW 330i, Lexus IS300, Mercedes C320, and Volvo S60 T5! Enjoy! <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P><B><I>Source: Egan, Peter; Allen, Jeff; Road and Track Magazine, April 2001 Issue</B></I><BR><B><BR>Road and Track April 2001 Full Article, Click image for larger picture:<P><A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1316555&a=11924830&p=42833390&f=0" TARGET=_blank>Page 1</A><BR><A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1316555&a=11924830&p=42833394&f=0" TARGET=_blank>Page 2</A><BR><A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1316555&a=11924830&p=42833396&f=0" TARGET=_blank>Page 3</A><BR><A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1316555&a=11924830&p=42833398&f=0" TARGET=_blank>Page 4</A><BR><A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1316555&a=11924830&p=42833400&f=0" TARGET=_blank>Page 5</A><BR><A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1316555&a=11924830&p=42833406&f=0" TARGET=_blank>Page 6</A><BR><A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1316555&a=11924830&p=42833409&f=0" TARGET=_blank>Page 7</A><BR><A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1316555&a=11924830&p=42833413&f=0" TARGET=_blank>Page 8</A><BR><A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1316555&a=11924830&p=42833418&f=0" TARGET=_blank>Page 9</A><BR><A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1316555&a=11924830&p=42833393&f=0" TARGET=_blank>Page 10</A><BR><A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1316555&a=11924830&p=42833395&f=0" TARGET=_blank>Page 11</A><BR><A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1316555&a=11924830&p=42833397&f=0" TARGET=_blank>Page 12</A></B><P>-Drew<P><BR>
 

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Originally posted by InDy:<BR>Here you go everyone, hot off the press! The April 2001 Road and Track comparison between the BMW 330i, Lexus IS300, Mercedes C320, and Volvo S60 T5!<P>I'm pleased to hear about the article. I'll go purchase that issue of Road and Track. I'm not a lawyer, but isn't posting this entire article a copyright violation?<P>HW
 

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HW,<P>I am really not sure but, actually I was a little hesitant about posting the article, because I didn't know whether or not it would be okay. The original article was first posted on the IS300.Net forums and it was also posted on Bimmer.Org, so some one over there actually scanned and copied the original. I just decided to reference the article from that site to this site because I thought it might be informative. I guess if it is not cool to have it here, it can always be deleted. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P>-Drew<p>[This message has been edited by InDy (edited 03-07-2001).]
 

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You're the best, Indy!<P>Thanks again for never failing to impress us mere mortals. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/redface.gif">
 

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I'm afraid that though it is cool to see the article, that posting copyrighted material is not a good thing (just think napster) and could get the site in trouble. (though maybe road & track is more leinent than the recording industry). <BR>
 

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The entire internet is one big web of copywrite violations. Any single person on the internet who downloads an image without the express written consent of the image owner is infringing on copywrite laws. If that is the case, then Yahoo, MSNBC, Excite, and every internet search engine is violating copywrite laws.<P>Also, anyone that uses a web browser is violating copywrite laws. Another interesting thing is that linking is not distribution. It is a passive connection. It is really not even a connection in the strict definition of the word.<P>Keep in mind, a hyperlink in a web document equates to no more than a recommendation made in a conversation, or a footnote made in a book to provide a point of reference. So, the original reference point, IS300.Net and Photopoint, would be the ones with the copywrite infringement, if any at all.<P>There is no problem here...
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyS60:<BR><B>The entire internet is one big web of copywrite violations...<P>>> SO, therefore, since everyone else is doing it, it's OK.<P>...Also, anyone that uses a web browser is violating copywrite laws...<P>>> Such an absolute statement is difficult to support absolutely.<P>...Another interesting thing is that linking is not distribution. It is a passive connection. It is really not even a connection in the strict definition of the word...<P>>> But we're not just talking a link here. We have a full COPY of the copyrighted material being distributed to unknown hundreds or thousands of readers.<P>...There is no problem here...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>>> And which law school name appears on your J.D. diploma?<P>HW<P><BR>
 

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You pose good responses...<P><I>>> SO, therefore, since everyone else is doing it, it's OK.</I><P>Of course it not okay, but the fact remains, it is being done authorized or not, at a rate that cannot be defined.<P><I>>> Such an absolute statement is difficult to support absolutely.</I><P>That is true, but that is the nature of the problem with the interaction of the internet, copyright laws, and independent users.<P><I>>> But we're not just talking a link here. We have a full COPY of the copyrighted material being distributed to unknown hundreds or thousands of readers.</I><P>In this specific example we are talking about just a link, but Photopoint is the one that has the actual copyrighted material. If you check their site, they have thousands of scanned images of copyrighted materials from various users. I really don't know how they get around the legal issues of having such a vast amount of material.<P><I>>> And which law school name appears on your J.D. diploma?</I><P>I do not have any kind of law degree, nor did I ever state that I did, nor did I imply as such in any expressed way. These are just my humble opinions, that were derived from an actual court case involving an independent internet user vs. JCPenny. A case that was dismissed because of a fraudulent claim by the litigant, involving web links and copyrighted material against JCPenny. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif">
 

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I stand corrected on the link business--I hadn't noticed the URL for the article text. Therefore, I would concur with your assessment that a mere link (or, in this case, set of links) poses a murkier issue.<P>HW
 

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I would agree that it is a murky area, and since it is a link maybe it isn't so bad. Maybe the question is should the links be here or just a link to the original site saying you can see the article here. Of course by next month (or two at most) it won't rally matter since it will be on the road and track site anyway and esentially public domain. I just wouldn't want to see what is developing into another good source of information to be tied up in legal problems. (never hurts to be careful IMHO)
 

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I read the article----Volvo still not getting<BR>much respect in these comparisons. I guess<BR>there is a great deal of politics injected.<BR>And discontent over tail lights, brakes, steering, plastic, audio controls, FWD in<BR>these reviews in general.
 

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Road & Track now has some "Behind the Scenes" photos and comments about all 4 cars at their own website. It sounds like they really liked the S60 T5. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><BR><B><BR><A HREF="http://www.roadandtrack.com/RoadAndTrack/Article/april_2001/0401_bts_sedan_shootout_p1.html" TARGET=_blank>Road & Track, Behind the Scenes: Sports Sedan Shootout</A></B><P> <IMG SRC="http://www.roadandtrack.com/images/april_2001/Volvo-S60-action-side.jpg"> <P>-Drew<p>[This message has been edited by InDy (edited 03-21-2001).]
 

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Thanks Indy for that last link. I read this article and reflected on my test drives with<BR>each vehicle. I had my reasons for going with<BR>the S60 T5 (little time to elab)--but after<BR>extensive (personal testing) I rated the<BR>contestants are follows:<BR>BMW 330/ Volvo S60 T5----equal<BR>Lexus is300/ MB 320----equal/(not quite me)<BR>Audi---as good as any---new product coming<BR>VW Passat---buck stops here--not hi end car <P>Many variables weighed into my purchase<BR>decision---The Volvo worked out best!!!!!<BR>Therefore---personal reasons WERE NOT<BR>adequately factored into the/these reviews--<BR>(ie--Volvo loyalty, roomier back seats,<BR>local or nearby dealer reputation, image<BR>wanted/career issues, speed/performance in<BR>the test driver's eyes, lack of awareness<BR>as to future review predujices, color options, ergomonics, sculptured good looks,<BR>AOL deal, timing of purchase/deal/reasons,<BR>and etc----so basically the Volvo can shine<BR>and be a number one choice among hi-end <BR>sports sedans per requirements/preferences/<BR>experiences
 
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