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We got back from the Oregon coast a little while ago. Before leaving I had adjusted the foglights up (too much). So I got down on my back and readjusted the foglights tonight after washing the ol gal. This gave me a nice closeup of the paint. Hmm, lots of little nicks and dimples (like a teenagers face). Paint quality (Volvo or otherwise) is not the same anymore.<p>Leadfoot60 has done it to his flash green V70R, and I've seen the finished product a couple of times now. I am thinking I should do the same before the paints gets worse.<p>Anyone have any long time experience? Can moisture get underneath? Does it turn yellow with age? I believe it cost about $300 to get it done. Anyone confirm the price?
 

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Re: Rethinking the clear bra (flybynight)

A good one will run you a lot more than $300 installed. Have them on both our cars and it's the best money I've spent. I figure these things have a practical life of about 3-4 years at 10-12k miles/year, at which point it can just be replaced.<p>The XC90 is over two years old (23k miles) and the V70R is over one year (to me, with 13k miles) and both still look like new.<br>
 

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Re: Rethinking the clear bra (TomW)

Best $600 I ever spent on a car. My '04 has over 80,000 miles. I am in the mountains and the front looks great. No yellowing or other problems. I live in the mountains with lots of sand on the roads in the winter. My headlights are toast, but the paint is fine. I had them do the whole front end including the mirrors. oclv
 

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Re: Rethinking the clear bra (flybynight)

Kris,<p>I had the whole front end done (Head/fog lights w/ heavier film) including the hood, frond fenders and bumper, along with the door edges and outside mirrors for $400. It is removeable, but I would probably have it done professionally at the same time as when it gets replaced.<p>After almost two years, it still looks quite good, but there are a couple of small nicks in the film, but nothing serious. It is critical that this be done as soon as possible after you get teh car. If the front end is already full of paint chips, I don't think it will look as good, and I don't know if there might be anyother problems.<p>If you are interested in who I used contact me via email (preferably) as I don't check IM's too often.
 

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Re: Rethinking the clear bra (flybynight)

I've had whole front of my X40 wrapped and lasts 3-4 years then have it replaced. I just had the new R wrapped on the front too. High quality wax or Plexus spray treatment every 60-90 days will keep it in new like condition and it won't go yellow or filmy either.
 

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Re: Rethinking the clear bra (s40R)

I had mines done and it's the hardest thing I've ever worked with. <p>4+ hours dude...<p>yea..... get a pro to do this for sure.<p>haven't lift mines so I don't know if it will turn yellow.
 

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Re: Rethinking the clear bra (flybynight)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>flybynight</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Paint quality (Volvo or otherwise) is not the same anymore.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I spoke to some guys at BMW Manufacturing about this a few years ago when I was down in Spartanburg. The people I spoke to suggested that the culprit is the new environmentally friendly water based paints that everyone is using.<p>-Eric
 

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Re: Rethinking the clear bra (flybynight)

Our '03 XC90 has had the kit for almost 4yrs now - still looks great - not yellowing. You do have to be somewhat mindful of the edge so as not to allow dirt to build up and create a "line" so to speak. Regular washings keep it clean. I like the fact that it helps with bugs and crud as much as stone chips. <p>I have my '06 R done and the XPEL kit really fits well. It is not an inexpensive enhancement $700-$1000 range. So you need to balance the cost of a respray, which may or may not match a few years down the road. <p>The headlight cover material is also nice to have, especially if you convert to the euro lenses.<p>
 

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Re: Rethinking the clear bra (Lead Foot 60)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lead Foot 60</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Kris,<p>I had the whole front end done (Head/fog lights w/ heavier film) including the hood, frond fenders and bumper, along with the door edges and outside mirrors for $400. It is removeable, but I would probably have it done professionally at the same time as when it gets replaced.<p>After almost two years, it still looks quite good, but there are a couple of small nicks in the film, but nothing serious. It is critical that this be done as soon as possible after you get teh car. If the front end is already full of paint chips, I don't think it will look as good, and I don't know if there might be anyother problems.<p>If you are interested in who I used contact me via email (preferably) as I don't check IM's too often.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, if your front bumper has already taken some abuse, you might just want to consider riding it out with the current one and then get a new front bumper. They come pre-painted from the factory, so color matching should not be much of an issue, and they are not too hard to remove (see photos from project V70Rs euro headlight installation). I don't know the exact price, but I thought I heard around $500.
 

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Re: Rethinking the clear bra (flybynight)

All fine and good, but if you didn't do it when the car ( and paint) were new, all you are doing is covering over slightly worn paint.<br>Personally I wouldn't, but your car, your money
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All fine and good, but if you didn't do it when the car ( and paint) were new, all you are doing is covering over slightly worn paint.<br>Personally I wouldn't, but your car, your money</TD></TR></TABLE><br>JRL is correct. I did mine when new but the doofus who sold it to me told me that they could not do the bumper or the "nose" up to the hood. Now that is the only place that looks bad. By the way, if the stuff (sand) on the road is large enough or sharp enough it can cut through the clear plastic. I have two places on my hood where that happened after a spring snowstom this year. Hmm maybe a nose job next spring. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I always have my car detailed each year which includes touch up paint. It runs me about $200 each time, but the car always looks better than new when finished. In fact this reminds me that I need to schedule an appoitment.
 

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Does anyone know a place in the SF Bay Area that will do this? My car should arrive from OSD on the 13th...
 

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Re: Rethinking the clear bra (Sue Esponte)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Sue Esponte</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I spoke to some guys at BMW Manufacturing about this a few years ago when I was down in Spartanburg. The people I spoke to suggested that the culprit is the new environmentally friendly water based paints that everyone is using.<p>-Eric</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I believe you are correct. Previous paints (lead based?) were stronger. My father had an '87 Audi 5000 CS Quattro in pearl white. The paint quality was nothing short of amazing. I think that was one of the last years for that type of paint.
 

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Re: Rethinking the clear bra (flybynight)

As proof, my volvo at 80,000 miles and three mountain winters still looks great. The front end of my previous car, Subaru without clear bra, had basically no colored paint on the frontal areas after 4 winters. The dang thing looked like the front end had been sand blasted. oclv
 

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I personally don't like the look of the seams (from the clear bra) on the body panels. I just replaced the whole front end (plastic) it comes pre-painted for 550.00. And paint the hood every 3-4 years for 400.00. That way the car is without seams and still looks new. Just my .02 c's
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mash</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I personally don't like the look of the seams (from the clear bra) on the body panels. I just replaced the whole front end (plastic) it comes pre-painted for 550.00. And paint the hood every 3-4 years for 400.00. That way the car is without seams and still looks new. Just my .02 c's</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree with the seams, and this definately makes the most sense if you don't apply the clear bra to a brand new front bumper. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Rethinking the clear bra (I Roll)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I agree with the seams, and this definately makes the most sense if you don't apply the clear bra to a brand new front bumper. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Depending on the kit's template, the seams are more visible that others. The XPEL kit has very few relief cuts making the install more challenging but also the material less visible. My hood material is difficult to see. Around the wiper arm indentations is probably the most "visible" spot. If done correctly, you need to look to see the material. That being said: $550 for a new front end is cheaper than installing the kit. Additionally, if you get hit with debris and it damages the plastic, you'll need to replace the cover anyway. <p>
 

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Re: Rethinking the clear bra (Mash)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mash</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I personally don't like the look of the seams (from the clear bra) on the body panels. I just replaced the whole front end (plastic) it comes pre-painted for 550.00. And paint the hood every 3-4 years for 400.00. That way the car is without seams and still looks new. Just my .02 c's</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is an interesting alternative. My concern with bolting on a pre-painted bumper cover is the degree of fading on the original paint. Over 3 or 4 years there has to be some fading, so if you bolt a brand new bumper on, I would think the difference might be noticable (unless you blend it in with the rest of the car with some extra painting).<p>What really does help is regular waxing and polishing. Tonight, in fact, I'm doing just that!
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>flybynight</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That is an interesting alternative. My concern with bolting on a pre-painted bumper cover is the degree of fading on the original paint. Over 3 or 4 years there has to be some fading, so if you bolt a brand new bumper on, I would think the difference might be noticable (unless you blend it in with the rest of the car with some extra painting).<p>What really does help is regular waxing and polishing. Tonight, in fact, I'm doing just that!</TD></TR></TABLE>My 04 R is silver. Over 2 years old with 25,000 miles on it. I had the same concerns as well. After the work was done it was a perfect match on color! Whew...... It is even better than expected (which is tough with my expectations)
 
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