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If you've had occasion to replace one (of the two 'original') remote control units and its key, would you mind letting me know how much your dealership charged you? <p>Also, mine was lost to theft. Is there a 'secondary' market (reprogramming?) for these remotes?<p>Total cost would be the two parts + labor + 'programming fee?' <p>Thanks
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (Radii)

I bought an extra key & older type remote (the triangular type) for my daughter. Total cost was $159.
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (Radii)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Radii</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you've had occasion to replace one (of the two 'original') remote control units and its key, would you mind letting me know how much your dealership charged you? <p>Total cost would be the two parts + labor + 'programming fee?' <p>Thanks</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I don't know that cost for the newer integrated keyfob+remote but I do know that there's always a 1 or 0.5 hr shop charge for programming. A quick call to your dealer's service shop or parts shop will clear this up pretty quickly.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Radii</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Also, mine was lost to theft. Is there a 'secondary' market (reprogramming?) for these remotes?<br>Thanks</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't think there would much 'secondary market' for this since I'm pretty sure you need VIDA or VADIS connected to the car to tell the car to accept the key and/or remote (VADIS/VIDA are EXPENSIVE systems that usually only Volvo dealers have). Also, I beleive the system uses two-factor authentication: 1. The physical key needs to match the car's physical lock cylenders, and 2. The key and remote use RFID (radio frequency identification) to let the car check if that particular key/remote is authorized to operate the car.<p>On the flip side, it may be possible for the dealer with VIDA/VADIS to remove the lost key's RFID from your car so that particular key/remote can never be used again to operate your car (unless you change all the lock cylendars that lost key can still open the car).<p>LTA<p>
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (LTA)

It always amazes me when people answer a question with "I don't know but...." Why does one answer when they don't know????
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (doug b)

<p>EBAY.... then with all remotes i believe you can just reprogram them yourself. I believe it is in the manual (check though). You will have to get a key made and put it in.
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (dmd)

DMD, EBAY, your kidding, right? From my experieince, these keys need to be programmed and Volvo charges you to program them. <p>When I bought my Volvo I got the dealership to throw in two extra basic (non-FOB) keys with programming. <p>I was told you can have several keys programmed at one time for the same programming fee of $100.00. I think the basic keys were priced at $20.00 each plus a programming fee. I was also quoted an extra FOB for $200.00, plus programming. <p>Also, I was told you can have a maximum of 6 keys made. If you lose all six, all of the locks and igintion would need to be changed for new keys with new programming.
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (alj)

<p>Most remotes can be programmed from the car (most other MFGs). Check the manule, I thought<br>I read a section on the remotes, but could have been my truck(F350). Even so, the remoet itself would be much cheaper on EBAY.<p>The count of 6 is just a way for Volvo to get more money and claim they are protecting you.
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (dmd)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>dmd</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Most remotes can be programmed from the car (most other MFGs). Check the manual, I thought I read a section on the remotes, but could have been my truck(F350). Even so, the remoet itself would be much cheaper on EBAY.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You may be confusing the HomeLink remote which are programmed from the car by the owner.<p>The car keys need to be programmed using VADIS/VIDA, ie, at the dealer. AFAIK, there are no provisions for an owner do it himself. IMHO, this is a Good Thing (TM), otherwise any car thief would be able to program any old key he's got off e-bay...<p>I believe that the limit of 6 refers to the maximum number of keys that can be programmed simultaneously. It probably has to do with the number of IDs that can be stored in some sort of NVRAM.
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (LTA)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LTA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm pretty sure you need VIDA or VADIS connected to the car to tell the car to accept the key and/or remote (VADIS/VIDA are EXPENSIVE systems that usually only Volvo dealers have). Also, I beleive the system uses two-factor authentication: 1. The physical key needs to match the car's physical lock cylenders, and 2. The key and remote use RFID (radio frequency identification) to let the car check if that particular key/remote is authorized to operate the car.<p>On the flip side, it may be possible for the dealer with VIDA/VADIS to remove the lost key's RFID from your car</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There are actually three keys in the XC90's fob:<p>- the key itself, a "laser-cut" symmetrically fabricated device<br>- the immobilizer, an RFID chip embedded in the fob<br>- the remote, the 5-button unlock/panic/lighting transmitter.<p>The physical key must be cut by the dealer on a special machine to match the cylinder in the steering column.<p>The immobilizer and remote must be programmed into the car's memory.<p>The old immobilizer and remote should be removed from the car's memory.<p>None of the above services are available on eBay.<p>BTW, the key isn't really two-factor authentication. Although it has two locking methods (the key and immobilizer), physical possession of the one fob gives you access. To be two-factor, you'd need a second, separate method of authenticating yourself, such as entering a PIN, swiping your fingerprint, etc. This is a bit more than security than most people want...<p>Tom.
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (doug b)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>doug b</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It always amazes me when people answer a question with "I don't know but...." Why does one answer when they don't know????</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The response was informative, relax.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>doug b</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you brain dead? It seems so!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Oh c'mon doug...now you're just being obnoxious. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Tim
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (t6tim)

<p>Buy the key and fob on EBAy and have the dealer program it and cut the new key. It is not a difficult concept. They then you do not have to pay the high price of the fob.
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (t6tim)

Well I'm not trying to be a 'hard ass', but the originator of this thread asked a simple question "how much is a new key and remote".<p>I had purcased one, looked up the invoice, and had a vaild answer for him.<p>Then other people posted nonanswers and misinformation. So yes, in my book they must be brain dead to reply to an issue when they don't know what they're talking about. <p>What's the point of communication, if it is conjecture or wrong?<br>
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (doug b)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>doug b</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I'm not trying to be a 'hard ass', but the originator of this thread asked a simple question "how much is a new key and remote".<p>I had purcased one, looked up the invoice, and had a vaild answer for him.<p>Then other people posted nonanswers and misinformation. So yes, in my book they must be brain dead to reply to an issue when they don't know what they're talking about. <p>What's the point of communication, if it is conjecture or wrong?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The point of these forums is to give and get info. Simple as that. Threads branch off all the time, and more info is exchanged. This would be a very boring place if it was full of two post threads. <p>You seem very tense. Maybe a <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0"> is in order. I'll buy. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Tim <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (tmtalpey)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>tmtalpey</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>There are actually three keys in the XC90's fob:<p>- the key itself, a "laser-cut" symmetrically fabricated device<br>- the immobilizer, an RFID chip embedded in the fob<br>- the remote, the 5-button unlock/panic/lighting transmitter.<p>The physical key must be cut by the dealer on a special machine to match the cylinder in the steering column.<p>The immobilizer and remote must be programmed into the car's memory.<p>The old immobilizer and remote should be removed from the car's memory.<p>None of the above services are available on eBay.<p>BTW, the key isn't really two-factor authentication. Although it has two locking methods (the key and immobilizer), physical possession of the one fob gives you access. To be two-factor, you'd need a second, separate method of authenticating yourself, such as entering a PIN, swiping your fingerprint, etc. This is a bit more than security than most people want...<p>Tom.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for adding more detail Tom. It's not more than I want to know <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I would still stay it's two-factor but I should qualify that buy adding it's two factor <I>to start the car</I>, fator 1: Physical key, factor 2: RFID to authenticate with the imobilizer. Right?<p>LTA<br>
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (LTA)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LTA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would still stay it's two-factor but I should qualify that buy adding it's two factor <I>to start the car</I>, fator 1: Physical key, factor 2: RFID to authenticate with the imobilizer. Right?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Authentication factors are often described as "something you <B>have </B>(e.g. a key), something you <B>know </B>(e.g. a password), or something you <B>are </B>(e.g. a fingerprint)". Two-factor means using two of these. The Volvo fob basically uses two keys to start the car, i.e. two of the first - and therefore only a single factor.<p>The S40/V50 has gone to an RFID key only - the fob itself just has a black plastic nub at the end that goes into the lock. And the key provides exactly the same level of security. Same with keyless locks - it you physically have it, you can start the car.<p>Airport security is generally two-factor. You must present your identification, and it must have a picture that the checker verifies looks like you (something you have, and something you are). Many corporate VPNs use a one-time key generator along with requiring your password, these are another example (something you have, and something you know).<br> <br>Tom.
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (Radii)

my local dealer said you need to be at the dealer for 2 hours for the new fob/key.<p>just FYI<p>I made the appointment and then.....I found the key that had been lost for a month!!!<p>(so I don't know if it actually takes two hours)<br>
 

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Re: Replacement key/remote - $cost? (tmtalpey)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>tmtalpey</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>There are actually three keys in the XC90's fob:<p>- the key itself, a "laser-cut" symmetrically fabricated device<br>- the immobilizer, an RFID chip embedded in the fob<br>- the remote, the 5-button unlock/panic/lighting transmitter.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Just some heads-up on a potential problem... If there is any rotational movement between the upper section of your key housing the FOB/immobilizer and the lower transmitter portion, the key's days are numbered. Told dealer after sections separated while starting car that glue type fix would not be acceptable. After some arm twisting, agreed to replace FOB/immobilizer section under warranty.
 
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