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Not sure how many of you guys and galls have seen it yet, so just wanted to give everyone a heads up. VIVA just got in Ultra Racing's rear strut tower brace. I ordered one last night. I'll update with pictures when I get it installed. <br>Here it is from UR's/VIVA's website..... <br><IMG SRC="http://www.vivaperformance.com/catalog/images/s60_rear_strut_tower_brace.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>(George confirmed it will work for the R as well as the other S60 models)<p><A HREF="http://www.vivaperformance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=81_101&products_id=773" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vivaperformance.com...d=773</A> <p>Looking over VIVA's site they also have a Lower rear brace for the R's. Has anybody on here gone with the Lower Rear Brace? Would something like this possibly help reduce "side hop"?? Any thoughts on itwould be cool to hear. <br><A HREF="http://www.vivaperformance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=81_101&products_id=775&osCsid=f886521dd25b7cacad878ca6f456ee0c" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vivaperformance.com...6ee0c</A><p>
 

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Re: Rear UR Strut Tower Brace form VIVA (mad matt)

You can get the front brace for at least $20 less elsewhere, so the same is probably true of the rear.<p>I've heard George is great to deal with, but I've had no personal experience with Viva.<p>I bought my front brace straight from the ultra racing USA distributor. Send an e-mail to Mike Barton - [email protected] and see what he can do for you if you're interested.<p>Cheers,<p>J
 

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Re: Rear UR Strut Tower Brace form VIVA (soupandspoons)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PhilUp</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How is it installed?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>......You know, I have no idea. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>soupandspoons</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can get the front brace for at least $20 less elsewhere, so the same is probably true of the rear.<p>I've heard George is great to deal with, but I've had no personal experience with Viva.<p>I bought my front brace straight from the ultra racing USA distributor. Send an e-mail to Mike Barton - [email protected] and see what he can do for you if you're interested.<p>Cheers,<p>J</TD></TR></TABLE><p>George is a top notch guy to deal with. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"><p><br>Mike Barton charges the same for the rear bar as VIVA. Another member on the S60 Forum got his through him and confirmed the price as $119 as well.<br><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=114720" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=114720</A>
 

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Re: Rear UR Strut Tower Brace form VIVA (mad matt)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mad matt</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Matt,<p>We include all mounting hardware with our rear braces, so you won't need to go out and source nuts, bolts and washers. <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.vivaperformance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=81_101&products_id=773" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vivaperformance.com...d=773</A> <p>Looking over VIVA's site they also have a Lower rear brace for the R's. Has anybody on here gone with the Lower Rear Brace? Would something like this possibly help reduce "side hop"?? Any thoughts on itwould be cool to hear. <br><A HREF="http://www.vivaperformance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=81_101&products_id=775&osCsid=f886521dd25b7cacad878ca6f456ee0c" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vivaperformance.com...6ee0c</A><p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm not sure if side-hop will be reduced as my car doesn't suffer from it any longer (fixed with replacing the tires and rear bushings!), but the lower rear brace will significantly reduce rear chassis flexing and help counteract the R's understeer characteristics. We have a limited supply of the lower rear brace (5 units) in stock and highly recommend it for those who track their R or for those looking for maximum handling performance. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Rear UR Strut Tower Brace form VIVA (George @ ViVA)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>George @ ViVA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...the lower rear brace will significantly reduce rear chassis flexing and help counteract the R's understeer characteristics.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes, by stiffening the rear-end, you reduce traction and thereby increase the willingness of the R's rear to come around. This is a good thing at the track (i.e., less understeer; <B>not</B> the rear-end coming around!) and probably not particularly desirable for a daily driver. But, hey, who knows... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by dradernh at 11:35 AM 4-3-2009</i>
 

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Re: Rear UR Strut Tower Brace form VIVA (dradernh)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>dradernh</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Yes, by stiffening the rear-end, you reduce traction and thereby increase the willingness of the R's rear to come around. This is a good thing at the track (i.e., less understeer; <B>not</B> the rear-end coming around!) and probably not particularly desirable for a daily driver. Buy, hey, who knows... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'll take oversteer over understeer any day of the week for my daily driver! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 

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Re: Rear UR Strut Tower Brace form VIVA (soupandspoons)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>soupandspoons</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can get the front brace for at least $20 less elsewhere, so the same is probably true of the rear.<p>I've heard George is great to deal with, but I've had no personal experience with Viva.<p>I bought my front brace straight from the ultra racing USA distributor. Send an e-mail to Mike Barton - [email protected] and see what he can do for you if you're interested.<p>Cheers,<p>J</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Mike was awesome to deal with and was $30 cheaper than VIVA for the front Tower Strut Brace. The front end response with the UR Tower Brace and the QBM strut conversion just leaves a <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> on your face. George is awesome to deal with and I bought my QBM strut conversion kits from him, but hey $30 is $30 now-a-days with our economy, lol!
 

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Re: Rear UR Strut Tower Brace form VIVA (mad matt)

Well, I installed the brace today. Go figure, it's raining here in WA so I haven't had a chance to put the car through it's paces as of yet. However the car feels a bit more stable and tighter in what corners I have taken. <p>Here some pictures of the install......<p><br>Fresh out of the packaging. Bolts, nuts and washers came with the bar.<br><IMG SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p95/madmattferris/Volvo/img176.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Driver side attached. The top bolt is a PITA to fasten down tightly. Removing the foam padding helps but it is still tight in there.<br><IMG SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p95/madmattferris/Volvo/img182.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Passenger side attached. <br><IMG SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p95/madmattferris/Volvo/img183.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Full view with the carpeting still out.<br><IMG SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p95/madmattferris/Volvo/img184.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>All Put back together. <br><IMG SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p95/madmattferris/Volvo/img185.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>And now, my one gripe about this brace is the label. It's up side down. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p95/madmattferris/Volvo/img186.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>
 

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Re: Rear UR Strut Tower Brace form VIVA (George @ ViVA)

George, the rear brace fits regular S60's as well, correct?
 

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Re: Rear UR Strut Tower Brace form VIVA (jstro)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jstro</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">George, the rear brace fits regular S60's as well, correct?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>They do fit the S60 as well. See here.....<br><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=114720" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=114720</A>
 

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I posted a couple months ago asking about the lower braces and got very little response from anyone using them. Couple people just said they would scrape going in and out of parking lots and would not give much advantage.
 

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I'm curious about the true effectiveness of such a unit considering the configuration of the rear suspension. What you notice is that the bar is merely creating another link between the wheel-wells -- not a connection between the strut towers.
 

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Re: Rear UR Strut Tower Brace form VIVA (mad matt)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mad matt</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>They do fit the S60 as well. See here.....<br><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=114720" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=114720</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks Matt, I would have noticed that had I read the thread more carefully
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>m.olennick</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm curious about the true effectiveness of such a unit considering the configuration of the rear suspension. What you notice is that the bar is merely creating another link between the wheel-wells -- not a connection between the strut towers.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Precisely. I don't think this REAR brace does squat given the vertical distance between the connection points of the rear suspension. There is no way that config would hold a "box" shape of all 90 degree angles... Now if it had hypotenuse connections as well....it might be a very different assessment, IMO.
 

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I was thinking the same thing as you guys. It's not really a "strut tower brace" but rather a frame cross member. We used to add these to our Mustang GT's back in the day, and they did well to increase chassis ridigity. But it wasn't really meant to be a "handling" piece.
 

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I think it would make sense to put a rubber washer between the brace and the body, otherwise you'll start hearing squeaks coming from there once it "settles"
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>m.olennick</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm curious about the true effectiveness of such a unit considering the configuration of the rear suspension. What you notice is that the bar is merely creating another link between the wheel-wells -- not a connection between the strut towers.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Short Circuit</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Precisely. I don't think this REAR brace does squat given the vertical distance between the connection points of the rear suspension. There is no way that config would hold a "box" shape of all 90 degree angles... Now if it had hypotenuse connections as well....it might be a very different assessment, IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>T5 for Life</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was thinking the same thing as you guys. It's not really a "strut tower brace" but rather a frame cross member. We used to add these to our Mustang GT's back in the day, and they did well to increase chassis ridigity. But it wasn't really meant to be a "handling" piece.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dunno guys...see my post in <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=116839&page=2" TARGET="_blank">this thread</A>. (I don't feel like rehashing it all here! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">) All in all, I could feel the difference with the braces (front and rear) installed! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> You're probably correct in that it's not technically a tower brace, but it certainly has an effect on the handling!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>-Steve<p>P.S. Jeremy, care to comment? After all, it's your car I'm talking about hehe.
 

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Re: Rear UR Strut Tower Brace form VIVA (George @ ViVA)

Hey George I do not see the rear strut tower brace on the website for the R. I have the front lower brace and the strut tower brace on my car and they work wonders for the handling!
 
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