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The second one now says no longer available.

Pictures of both aren't great, not enough light to make out all the details.

First one says driven by Ronald Moore? in the sitcom? the Saint? I wonder if the seller early knows much about 1800's and how good/accurate the work was.

Both listings have no pictures of the underside or other known rust areas, inside trunk, wheel wells etc.

The second one looks like it hasn't be restored, rust under the hood, battery box in bad shape.

Neither looks like a bargain.
 

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Thanks Craig. Red car is consigned to a dealer, clearly not a Volvo expert. Spoke with him but didn't bother to straighten him out re: Roger Moore.
His story: Consigned by well heeled collector, over 40 cars, own private mechanic. Had a windows out repaint done at cost of $12K. Unfortunately I can't get to the owner for more detail. Interior appears original except possibly the dark seat inserts.

White car in same family since new, fresh engine (not original).It is still available, just removed from EBay. Interior replaced and repainted in late 80's, sitting mostly since. Belonged to sellers grandfather, then mother who had it restored and now inherited by son. Talked to the shop in Grants Pass OR (Revolvo West) who did the engine and other work. No apparent rust of significance. Shop owner said it was a very nice car but clearly overpriced. I would think $20K would be tops.

Not looking for a bargain, just don't want to pay stupid money. My shopping is limited by the fact that I want an early car (bull horns).
 

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The red one is extremely low mileage (if correct). I am not at all familiar with the early cars; but, I have never seen 1800 an interior like the one on that car. Perhaps it is correct.

All the trim looks really good except for the license plate light which looks quite beat up - very odd considering what the rest of the trim is like. Its hard to be sure from the photos; but, from the front and back shots of the car it looks like the driver's side of the car might be sitting a little lower than the passengers side. It also looks like the front edge of the hood might be sitting a little high. You would need to do an in person inspection and check for body damage.

This is a 1961 version so it has the British Jensen body. I seem to recall that the Jensen bodies were more prone to rust. I also think that 1961 is the first production year which makes the car a little special. I like the original hub caps.

If the car is rust free and looks as good 'in person' as it does in the photos, I would offer the opinion that the reserve is not out of the ball park. The interior is definitely not in #1 or #2 condition which is a negative if you are looking for a show car. If you were looking to do a restoration to original condition on a tired version of an 1800, you would likely be in to the project for significantly more than $30,000. I would explore the red car as a possible acquisition if you are looking for an original. Subject to confirming the actual condition of the red car, I would not bother with the white car as long as the red one is available unless the owner of the white car is going to drop the price.
 

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Glad you didn't touch the white one, the under hood photos show that it's clearly rusting from the inside out and needs a full strip and repaint to stop it. They're asking waaaaaay too much.

As for the red one, the body and exterior look great, but that interior looks off. In the close ups of the dash you can see a lot of stains and dirt build up in the cracks and crevices, I'm really surprised for the money they're asking they didn't drop a few hundred on a pro quality interior detail, which I'd recommend you do as soon as you take delivery. The right detailer will make it look showroom new. The front seat covers aren't original but everything else in the interior does match photos of original interiors, which is great. It wouldn't take much to restore the front seats, and then you'll have a concourse winner.

Beautiful car, congrats on the purchase.

Here's a couple pictures of an interior that appears original, matching what I have in some of my old Volvo books. I think your front seats should look like this: http://www.classix.se/index.php/es/sold-cars/item/88-volvo-p1800-jensen
 

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Bought the red one. Will be trucked from NY to OR. Won't see it for a while.
I hope that it looks as good 'in person' as it does in the photos. Presuming that you live in Oregon you are pretty close to the epicenter of classic Volvodum in North America and will have reasonably good access to Volvo specialists if needed (I have an acquaintance who has trailered his 1800E from Sask. to Iroll motors to get some issues sorted out - not so convenient).

Did you find out what was up with the odd interior? Given the low mileage, I would not have expected the original seat covers to have worn out. However, as Lloyd points out, restoration of those parts should be relatively easy and you should have a definite show contender. Being a first year car definitely gives it some panache!
 

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Thanks Lloyd and 142 Guy.
In spite of the confusing mileage claims in the ad, I have no doubt that the mileage is 128000, or more. I think the front seat black inserts are replacements for the pleated fabric which wore out. Wonder if I can find material which should likely match the rear seat bottoms. I think all else in the interior is original.
Dealer has promised to give me name and number of seller who had the exterior done. He is supposedly a car collector. Car is supposed to have several manuals and other paper work. We shall see.
 

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Thanks Lloyd and 142 Guy.
In spite of the confusing mileage claims in the ad, I have no doubt that the mileage is 128000, or more..
128,000 vs 28,000 - just a little marketing slip. Given the rest of the narrative in the ad, the error is not totally surprising.

Getting a 1961 1800 with 28,000 miles on the odometer would have been sweet!
 
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