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Boy was I missing the PS2s when I drove home tonight after a miserable downpour. The car felt VERY uneasy most of the drive home.<p>The PNothings still appear to have sufficient tread, even for wet use, but you'd never know it from the way the car drove tonight. They hydroplaned, felt tenuous around corners and never clued me into what they were about to do. The car either had traction or it didn't and I wasn't losing it badly solely from driving through deep puddles or from driving at excessive speeds. I wasn't having any of that in this weather after the few 'slips' I felt driving at much slower than highway speeds. If ever there was proof that AWD is worthless (even during the summer) unless your car's wearing the right shoes, this was it.<p>-Eric
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (Sue Esponte)

After a long dry period? Probably rubber washing off....<br>The PS2's without to much profile can become tricky also in heavy rain.
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (Johann)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">After a long dry period? Probably rubber washing off....<br>The PS2's without to much profile can become tricky also in heavy rain.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>And oil, too.
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (Sue Esponte)

You got 13K miles on a set of Pirellis? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (Sue Esponte)

Eric, they are interesting tires, aren't they? Not only am I glad that I "tested" them with light snow on the ground, as we have discussed before, I am really glad that when spring came around I replaced them with all seasons--Toyo Proxes 4s as I was late and couldn't get P Neros--especially now after reading your post. Tires that give up their traction under expected conditions don't belong on the street, IMO. Too many things happen that can put a lot of nice people in danger.
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (Shipmate)

Conrad, I had a set of PS2s on my previous car. I haven't installed them yet on the R as I've been waiting (very, very patiently) for the PZeros to wear out.<p>And, yes, Peter, I'll be <b>very</b> happy when it comes time to replace these tires. I have a different set of rims/tires for winter use but I will most certainly be buying a new set of tires for next spring (at the latest).<p>-Eric
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (R Salesman)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R Salesman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You got 13K miles on a set of Pirellis? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>sheesh... I got 26k on my pirellis.
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (stevectsai)

after my flat 3 weeks ago with the pirellis took them off and changed to the ps2s.much better,it is amazing how bad the pirellis are matched to the car.class action suit??????now have 500 miles on the michelins and they feel good.little rear end wiggle
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (Sue Esponte)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Sue Esponte</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If ever there was proof that AWD is worthless (even during the summer) unless your car's wearing the right shoes, this was it.<p>-Eric</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I second that. My Subaru STi with its brand new Bridgestone RE70 couldn't get the car moving without some twisting around after just a little snow even in 4 wheel lock mode. It was fun though ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (mister2cool)

I test drove an STi on a warm, dry winter day (translation: it was ~40F) and had some fun with those stock tires. The salesguy smiled, handed me the keys and basically said,"have fun and stay out of trouble". <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>The car was a total monster but I had a ton of fun. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> The engine completely overwhelmed the tires in that weather. I basically pulled out of the dealership sideways - without trying. Ooops.<p>-Eric
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (stevectsai)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevectsai</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>sheesh... I got 26k on my pirellis.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's pretty amazing considering they are only supposed to last for 20K miles max. Were they not driven on too harshly or were they down to the wear bars by the end?
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (R Salesman)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R Salesman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You got 13K miles on a set of Pirellis? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm at about 16,000 miles on mine. Still OK.<br>I'm estimating 25,000 out of them.
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (Vipergtsz3)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vipergtsz3</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That's pretty amazing considering they are only supposed to last for 20K miles max. Were they not driven on too harshly or were they down to the wear bars by the end?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know of a guy with an S-Type Jag who has close to 30k with the OEM Pirellis'. I certainly don't drive like an old lady, so I'm not sure why everyone is getting such low miles from the tires. It's not like you can spin the tires while accelerating!
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (flybynight)

My main reasoning for the change, aside from hating the feel of the tires, was the corner blocks were wearing to quickly. Those Pirelli's do not like fast turns <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I just got some new tires

Replaced the Pz's with Sumitomo's (of all things!) Put 245/17/45's on and love them. The fronts rub now with the wider tread, but not much. I got 20k out of the Pirelli's, didn't really need replaced, but I was about to embark on a 2 week vacation with the family and all our luggage etc., felt the new rubber was a prudent expense. I don't drive the wagon that hard, wanted something quiet, somewhat long lasting, good in rain. The Sumi's fit the bill to a 'T' Got the HTR+, looks nice, and the side hop is absolutely gone. The Pirellis had a 97Y sidewall, these have a 95w. Don't know if the softer sidewall is the difference, but I tried all the things that made it hop in the past, and the hop is gone!! I'm really surprised I like these tires as much as I do, but they do what i want them to.
 

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Re: I just got some new tires (Zerific)

I don't know which model S-Type your friend has and I could be wrong about this generally, but unless they have a S-Type R, don't the 3.0 and 4.2 S-Type come standard with an All-Season tire?<p>There's a <b>HUGE</b> difference between the life expectancy of an All-Season tire and an Ultra-High Performance tire (which is OEM equipment on the R).<p>-Eric
 

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Re: I just got some new tires (Sue Esponte)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Sue Esponte</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know which model S-Type your friend has and I could be wrong about this generally, but unless they have a S-Type R, don't the 3.0 and 4.2 S-Type come standard with an All-Season tire?<p>There's a <b>HUGE</b> difference between the life expectancy of an All-Season tire and an Ultra-High Performance tire (which is OEM equipment on the R).<p>-Eric</TD></TR></TABLE><p>He has an R actually!! He bought the Pirelli's as a replacement to his OEM tires and he LIKES them! I wonder if these tires just aren't a great match for our car. <br>Actually, I think they have been decent myself. Of course now that they have passed 50% of their tread life, I might change my mind.
 

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Re: Rain + Pirellis w/13K+ miles = UGH! (Sue Esponte)

The best way to get the Pzeros to wear out is to hit a pot hole and blister the sidewall ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> .<p>That's what my 18 yrold did for me one night when he borrowed the car. He's used to his Tahoe with big fat tires where he doesn't even feel a pot hole let alone notice it. I was pissed at first, but then just realized I couldn't expect an 18 yrold to understand the nuances of driving a small fast car with low profile tires when his only driving experience is with a tank on balloon tires without explicitly warning him in advance. He blistered both front & rear on the left side. He said he never saw the pot hole ... of course he never was looking for one in the first place.<p>Great excuse to swap out the Pzeros for PS2s ... told the wife we had no choice as it was now a safety issue. Yes it was expensive, but ohhhh what a difference.
 
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