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Since there is no "modifications" section listing in these forums, I felt that my post may fit in here.<P>I've got a 122S ("SS") that I've sunk about $20,000 (USD) into since 1990, and the far-from-stock 172HP 2.0liter bored-out B18 is starting to get tired after 120,000 HARD AND ABUSIVE miles (7 rear axles, multitude of u-joints, 6 M41 tranmissions -- all destroyed!!). I currently have my car in a fabrication shop near my home, in Campbell, CA. What is it doing there? Well, here is a brief rundown:<P>+ Tremec TR-3500 transmission (5-speed, handles 400+ ft. lbs. of torque) - I purchased it last month, it's waiting to go into the 122<BR>+ full roll cage being installed<BR>+ rear fenderwells being tubbed inward 4" on each side to accommodate for 10"x17" or even 11"x17" wheels shod with 275/40ZR17 tires<BR>+ Ford 9" w/4.56:1 LSD soon to be built (w/disc brakes)<BR>+ foam cell type racing fuel cell (10 or 15 gallon, not sure what will fit yet)<BR>+ Kirkey 15 degree canted aluminum drag race seats w/comfortable padded covers (red) - already purchased as well, waiting to go into car<P>Basically, I'm doing everything but the engine at this point (I'm not made from money!!!). By this time or earlier next year I ought to have scads-o-cash saved up to pop something exotic (yet blasphemous) under the hood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ought to just stick with a Volvo engine, but for just a little bit more, I'll have power to match the beefed-up drivetrain that is being installed, so I'd like to take it one step further. Here are the options I've pondered and their benefits/drawbacks:<P>+ Chevy 350 V8:<BR>> Pros: dirt cheap parts, buttloads of power, neat sounds, oil pump is located near rear part of oil pan (stock 122 crossmember clearance is good)<BR>> Cons: heavy as hell, distributor is in rear of engine which could be an issue<P>+ Ford 302 V8:<BR>> Pros: semi-cheap parts, buttloads of power, sounds kick-ass with GT-40 heads, distributor is located near front of motor<BR>> Cons: heavy as hell, oil pump/sump is located right where the stock 122 crossmember is<P>+ Chevy 60 degree or 90 degree V6:<BR>> Pros: cheap parts, lighter than a V8, excellent HP and torque output can be achieved with either twin turbos/intercoolers or a supercharger<BR>> Cons: I have no idea<P>+ Mazda 20B 3-rotor rotary:<BR>> Pros: lightweight, excellent power-to-displacement ratio, sounds almost like a V-12 (as compared to standard 2-rotor), easy to get buttloads of HP out of them with just one turbo and a small intercooler<BR>> Cons: hard to import to United States, lots and lots of wiring/electronics work involved<P>+ Nissan RB26DETT (Japan-spec twin-turbo Skyline GTR motor - 2.6 liters)<BR>> Pros: lighter than a V8, stock configuration yields around 280HP, revs to 9,000RPMs with ease, stock bottom end can handle up to 700HP, engine makes high-tech yet exotic sounds, guys in Japan are getting over 1000HP out of them reliably<BR>> Cons: expensive to import to the US, parts need to be imported as well, technically-challenging myriad of wiring+plumbing+electronics involved for proper running of engine, possible engine bay space conflicts with steering and suspension upper A-frame mounts - since I have -2.5 degrees of camber<P>+ Supra twin turbo engine:<BR>> Don't know Jack about them, except that it is also an inline-6 and has a great deal of HP and torque<P>Fortunately the I had the Tremec TR-3550 transmission custom-built to suit my needs, specifically a longer input shaft length with GM splines and the bellhousing bolt mounting holes are Ford spaced (narrower pattern than GM). I wanted to keep the engine options pretty open so that is why I went custom with it. The fabrication shop will be fabbing up a 1" thick aluminum bellhousing adapter plate for the meantime to hook the trans up to the current B18 engine. Eventually, depending on what motor I choose, either the adapter plate will go away altogether, or another will be fabbed for mating a non Ford or GM engine/bellhousing to the trans.<P>Well, as of late I've seen a few of the "JDM" Japan-spec motors on eBay, and I've been really really considering the Nissan RB26DETT, but I have no clue what the external dimensions of the engine are, both with and without intake/exhaust/accessories/etc. I have my sights set on this motor for many reasons, namely it's durability and power output potential. It is an inline six engine, but more than likely the block itself is shorter in length than a Volvo B30, due to the smaller bore in the Nissan motor. There are so many variables I haven't a clue about. But then again, I don't plan on doing an engine swap any time really soon here. I'm still trying to find out information regarding the dimensions, as the firewall will probably have to be pushed back a bit into the cockpit for it to fit nicely. If anyone knows where I can find this information (the dimensions) that would be a great help.<P>Hopefully this weekend I'll have a chance to go to the fabrication shop with my digital camera and take some pictures of the progress of the work being done on my car (possibly some drastic sheetmetal removal). I'll probably have some links to the pictures available soon, and will be updating the progress as things go along.<P>Anyhow, if there are any vintage Volvo enthusiasts who are into hot-rodding stuff, maybe this sort of thing will seem pretty cool, but I'm sure a lot of you purists will scoff at it-- but don't fret, for the car has a salvaged DMV title from an incident back in mid-1991 (100MPH + M40 in 4th gear + improperly installed oil hose on aftermarket oil cooler = fire = insurance company being 'tards about the damage, etc.).<P>Just thought I'd share my quest for speed with everyone.<P>-he who stacks pork<P>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Leopold Porkstacker:<BR><B>+ Nissan RB26DETT (Japan-spec twin-turbo Skyline GTR motor - 2.6 liters)<BR>> Cons: expensive to import to the US, parts need to be imported as well, technically-challenging myriad of wiring+plumbing+electronics involved for proper running of engine, possible engine bay space conflicts with steering and suspension upper A-frame mounts - since I have -2.5 degrees of camber<BR>I've been really really considering the Nissan RB26DETT, but I have no clue what the external dimensions of the engine are, both with and without intake/exhaust/accessories/etc. I have my sights set on this motor for many reasons, namely it's durability and power output potential. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I've seen the telephone number for that one importer in Cali, I'll try to find it on the earlier issue of Turbo Magazines and Sports Compact Car magazines. You can probably call them up and ask them. I've also found few places from searching on the Net. I, too, was thinking about that engine for my 240 before.<P>It is much more involved than anyone can imagine. Not gonna be an easy job to put an RB26DE in a Volvo, but have been done over in Malaysia and Thailand tountries. You'd probably have better luck using the Supra's 2JZ engine instead. More sources and information for you than the RB26, and the tuning is probably going to be easier for the speed shops.<P>Good luck, I'd love to see how this project will turn out, gotta be a beast~!<BR>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_one_n_only:<BR><B> I've seen the telephone number for that one importer in Cali, I'll try to find it on the earlier issue of Turbo Magazines and Sports Compact Car magazines. You can probably call them up and ask them. I've also found few places from searching on the Net. I, too, was thinking about that engine for my 240 before.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Recently on eBay, there were a few auctions for front clips of cars with RB26DETT engines in them, but I don't need the whole clip, rather, just the engine, bellhousing, electronics, plumbing, etc. If you manage to find the contact info for the place you mentioned I would be more than pleased.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B><BR>It is much more involved than anyone can imagine. Not gonna be an easy job to put an RB26DE in a Volvo, but have been done over in Malaysia and Thailand tountries. You'd probably have better luck using the Supra's 2JZ engine instead. More sources and information for you than the RB26, and the tuning is probably going to be easier for the speed shops.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah, well that's why I'm having a fabrication shop do all the work instead. The guy who is doing the work is a NASCAR certified tech and mechanic (but he's not going to make my car only turn left! <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/tongue.gif"> ), and I've seen some of the custom work he's done for other customers in the past, and it's high-quality work. His fabrication skills are pretty impressive. However, I know that between the Supra and Skyline engines, the intakes and exhausts are on opposite sides from one another, and that factor alone may determine which motor to go with, short of completely fabricating a tube-frame front end with struts for better clearance under the hood-- that kind of work could get really expensive.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>Good luck, I'd love to see how this project will turn out, gotta be a beast~!</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thanks, I'm looking forward to the eventual end result. Since he is taking on this project as side work, it is going to take a few months to complete. And of course, the engine transplant won't be taking place until many months to one year from now. Hope the angry little pushrod Volvo engine holds up until then!<P>-he who stacks pork
 

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I would think the car itself would rule out some of these swaps. Is the engine bay wide enough for some of the 6cyl Turbos, or is it long enough for an I6?<P>How about a B23FT bottom end with a 16V head?<P>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by towerymt:<BR><B>I would think the car itself would rule out some of these swaps. Is the engine bay wide enough for some of the 6cyl Turbos, or is it long enough for an I6?<P>How about a B23FT bottom end with a 16V head?<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I've already researched that before, and it's not going to provide the reliability nor the performance I am after. Sure, it is possible to get 400HP+ out of a B230/B230FT/etc. Volvo engine, but I just don't think that running such boost through it will make it last long for everyday driving. Unless someone out there knows of some way to do this that is feasible.<P>-he who stacks pork
 

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I recently saw an LT1 with 6sped Getrag tranny in a 760 on ebay. I wonder if that'd fit.<P>Also, there's the new Mustang Cobra supercharged 4.6, but there again, it's 32V and I think you might have packaging issues.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by [email protected]:<BR><B>Also, there's the new Mustang Cobra supercharged 4.6, but there again, it's 32V and I think you might have packaging issues.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>There was a thread at the t-bricks board about the possibility of fitting a 4.6L Mustang engine in a 240. It's too wide, it's taller, and it's more expensive.<P>It's hard to beat the 5.0.<P><A HREF="http://pub55.ezboard.com/fturbobricksfrm1.showMessage?topicID=2197.topic" TARGET=_blank>Turbobricks: Ford 4.6L into 244?</A><P>
 

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Here are some pictures I took today of the progress over at the shop. As you can see, the guy doing the work basically has just started. Sheetmetal removal. Gonna order the 275/40ZR17 tires for the rear from TireRack.com either later this evening or tomorrow so that he can use them as a gauge to determine clearances for suspension components. Eventually, he will give me some specs on the stock rearend so I can go ahead and order a Mark Williams Ford 9" rearend to drop in. I am going to be mounting the tires on some <A HREF="http://www.petepaulsen.com" TARGET=_blank>Pete Paulsen</A> custom-made steel wheels in 17" diameter by 11" width size. They will look cool as s**t since I am going to have them painted the stock Volvo red color (car needs to be repainted badly too!). OK, here are the pictures:<BR> <A HREF="http://homepage.mac.com/leopoldporkstacker/" TARGET=_blank>http://homepage.mac.com/leopoldporkstacker/</A> <P>They are the files named “stage1_01.jpg” through “stage1_04.jpg”. As you can see, the majority of sheetmetal in the trunk area has been removed. Nothing terribly exciting, but over the next few weeks I will be adding more pictures of the progress. This is fully exciting for me– it’s kind of like having a “made-to-order” car made for me!<P>-he who stacks pork
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by towerymt:<BR><B> There was a thread at the t-bricks board about the possibility of fitting a 4.6L Mustang engine in a 240. It's too wide, it's taller, and it's more expensive.<P>It's hard to beat the 5.0.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yep. The 4.6 has a 90-degree V, the 302 only has a 60-degree V.<P>If you can fit a Ford DOHC 4.6L (96+ Cobra) or DOHC 5.4L (Navigator) engine in there, thats what I would recommend. Great engines N/A, even better if you want to add boost. Very impressive.<P>If the 4.6 won't fit, (and there's a good chance it won't), I would recommend the Twin-Turbo inline 6 from the Supra. That's another very impresive powerplant.<P>Good luck <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P><BR><P>
 

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UPS kicked down with the tires I ordered from the Tire Rack. Arrived late yesterday afternoon. Kumho "el cheapo" Super 712 tires in 275/40ZR17 size for only $113/each! These aren't the greatest tires in the world, but then again I am going to be only putting whatever is left over of the 172HP at the flywheel into them, so I figured going with a "harder" tire with a treadwear rating of 280 would be the best thing to do, otherwise I'll be in "understeer city". Anyhow, I measured them with a tape measure, and they are amazingly large - over 25" tall, tread width is approximately 10.4", sidewall-to-sidewall width is over 11"!! These things are HUGE!!! I dropped them off at the fabrication shop this morning and the guy who is doing the work said "Oh yeah, I'll make those fit under your 122, no problem!". I guess he can do it! More pictures soon, possibly this weekend.<P>-he who stacks pork
 
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