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anyone realize that so many R sighting documented on this forum, but 99% of the time no one acknowledge it with a response ??<p>Either you're too cocky to reply, or you think I'm a wacko who just might follow you home. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: R sighting is good, but never a response from sightee. (stevectsai)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevectsai</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone realize that so many R sighting documented on this forum, but 99% of the time no one acknowledge it with a response ?? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ever consider 99% of R owners don't visit this forum? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: R sighting is good, but never a response from sightee. (DocG)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DocG</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Ever consider 99% of R owners don't visit this forum? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>50% yes, but 99% is stretching it.<p>people get their R's because they want to drive fast, and often would lead them to swedespeed.<p>Let me tell you, Volvo drivers are rich punks with an education, while BMW driver are simply rich. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: R sighting is good, but never a response from sightee. (stevectsai)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevectsai</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>50% yes, but 99% is stretching it.<p>people get their R's because they want to drive fast, and often would lead them to swedespeed.<p>Let me tell you, Volvo drivers are rich punks with an education, while BMW driver are simply rich. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>About 90%, most have never heard of Swedespeed, they have better things to do with their time, tree hugging and all that.<p>If they wanted to go FAST they would buy an M3, Corvette, etc. or something that actually <B>IS</B> fast <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Most Volvo drivers ane particularly rich at all, basically middle to <I>slightly</I> upper middle class.<br>This applies to new car buyers/owners, used Volvo buyers are just plain old folk<p><B>You are 100% wrong on all counts</B>
 

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Re: R sighting is good, but never a response from sightee. (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>About 90%, most have never heard of Swedespeed, they have better things to do with their time, tree hugging and all that.<p>If they wanted to go FAST they would buy an M3, Corvette, etc. or something that actually <B>IS</B> fast <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Most Volvo drivers ane particularly rich at all, basically middle to <I>slightly</I> upper middle class.<br>This applies to new car buyers/owners, used Volvo buyers are just plain old folk<p><B>You are 100% wrong on all counts</B></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Oh come on... it's not 90% ! look at how many R members registered. <br>Rich = well off. I'm not saying you need to live in Newport or Beverly Hills to be rich, but the thought of being "well off" is good enough to qualify as "RICH".<br>For the sake of argument, let's turn this around: how many people you know are true "Middle class" and drives a R? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: R sighting is good, but never a response from sightee. (stevectsai)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevectsai</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Oh come on... it's not 90% ! look at how many R members registered. <br>Rich = well off. I'm not saying you need to live in Newport or Beverly Hills to be rich, but the thought of being "well off" is good enough to qualify as "RICH".<br>For the sake of argument, let's turn this around: how many people you know are true "Middle class" and drives a R? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>My entire neighborhood for one, must be 40-50 Volvos around the 5 streets here in a real nice middle to <I>lower upper middle</I> (?) class area. (Low end of upper middle $400,000 to $800,000 homes. A mile from here are way over 1Mil homes<br>How many people are R owners here, 5-600 maybe? About 10% TOPS<br>There are <B>at least</B> 15,000 R owners around the world
 

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Re: R sighting is good, but never a response from sightee. (stevectsai)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevectsai</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>50% yes, but 99% is stretching it. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You really think 1 out of 2 R drivers visits here?!? So about 2500 '04 owners frequent this place every day? That's just North American R's. Not to mention '05 and'06 owners. I have no idea what the production numbers were in those years. 1 out of every 100 isn't that far off.
 

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Re: R sighting is good, but never a response from sightee. (DocG)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DocG</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You really think 1 out of 2 R drivers visits here?!? So about 2500 '04 owners frequent this place every day? That's just North American R's. Not to mention '05 and'06 owners. I have no idea what the production numbers were in those years. 1 out of every 100 isn't that far off.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Considering that Swedespeed currently has a bit over 17000 total members, 1 out of 2 is wayyyyyy off IMO.
 

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Re: R sighting is good, but never a response from sightee. (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Considering that Swedespeed currently has a bit over 17000 total members</TD></TR></TABLE><p>And of those 17000, how many are active? I'd bet that number is cut by 75% as people sign up for one post or have just gone away over the years.
 

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Re: R sighting is good, but never a response from sightee. (stevectsai)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevectsai</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone realize that so many R sighting documented on this forum, but 99% of the time no one acknowledge it with a response ??<p>Either you're too cocky to reply, or you think I'm a wacko who just might follow you home. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I just thought about this as i wrote in the sightings forum lol, saying to myself "this person may never even be up here"<p>Well for whats its worth ill just give you my impression of volvo owners, bunch of middle to upper class folk driving a good car for practicality rather than showing off.... on the other hand<p>I live in Sacramento Ca, Natomas to be exact, ( area is growing by the thousands daily) and its all middle class but trying to live the Uber rich or Upper middle class way here. I see 20-30 somethings in Esclades, BMW's of all Sizes, G35's ( at least 7 a day) and Big SUV's wearing the Holly Wood shades that cover thiere face. I see a few( 1-3) volvos a day moslty S60's but never R's or the V70 XC. And when i see the S60 owners its mostly older white couples.<p>The younger crowd here is into the SUV craze or the BMW 745 with 26 inch rims. So when i first noticed the R i didnt know what it was and i was quite interested in it. I saw my first one today on the hiway.<p>Myself i am not rich, im educated but dont make 80k a year so i guess when i purchase mine i will be perseived as one of them but in fact im just a military guy who actually got his R at a good deal when i normally wouldnt be able to get it. But where i live status is everything. These people go greats lengths to get the 500k house and 60k car on a 45k salary, but wont pay the extra 45 bucks to get the road hazard warranty on a set of brand new 600 dollar tires ( i saw this and was amazed).<br>Nor Cal is full of posers!!<p>Evan
 

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I will aruge the fact that you have to be "rich" to drive an R. I am nowhere near rich. I am middle class american UPS driver. Even is you are sub-middle you can afford nicer things, if you know how to handle money.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cementups</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I will aruge the fact that you have to be "rich" to drive an R. I am nowhere near rich. I am middle class american UPS driver. Even is you are sub-middle you can afford nicer things, if you know how to handle money.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I would have to agree. <p>You have to love CPO! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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i would agree that 90% of R owners have not been on SS.
 

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Re: R sighting is good, but never a response from sightee. (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>This applies to new car buyers/owners, used Volvo buyers are just plain old folk<p><B>You are 100% wrong on all counts</B></TD></TR></TABLE><p>JRL - that HURT! I bought a used one......<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Define "old"? Over 25? Over 30? Over 40?
 

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All of this class talk is garbage. Outside of the über-rich, most "upper class" fight to call themselves middle class or "upper middle-class" anyway. Its all a bunch of malarky.<p>In some areas, how much someone spends on a home today has more to do with necessity than wealth. In Fairfield/Westchester county $500K will get you a <b>small</b>, 50+ yr old home on a tiny lot that is in serious need of expensive updating. Moving into a $1M home doesn't make you rich, it makes you..."comfortable".<p>I can't drive anywhere without being surrounded by Volvos. It is, literally, Volvo country. Some people buy them new and others buy them used. Some owners can't afford their lease/finance payments and others park them in garages shared with Ferraris bought with cash. And then there's everyone in between. You know the whole addage about not judging a book by its cover, right? It applies to Volvo owners, too.<p>If I recall correctly, market research says that the typical new Volvo owner has a household income of something like $180K. That's only a median. It means there are owners who make $25K and owners who make $1M+. In my book, $180K is enough salary that the 'average' owner shouldn't be crying poverty. But, does it make you rich? In East Bumblephuck, it may make you a Donald Trump. Around here? Not so much. It's a reality of where you live, but around here $180K doesn't put a Ferrari in your garage when you've just bought a 2000 sq.ft., 3 bedroom, 2 bath starter home for $1M+, you've got a crazy mortgage, 2.5 kids, day care, college savings and endless other things to think of first.<p>-Eric
 

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I think basically what everone is saying is that there are a lot of variables that need to be taken into account before we classify and stereotype who drives a Volvo. Let's just leave it at that.
 

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I like to think of the demographic that buys Volvos as: Those People Who Probably Don't Own a BMW<p>I think that says about everything there is to say....
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Thesaurrex</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like to think of the demographic that buys Volvos as: Those People Who Probably Don't Own a BMW<p>I think that says about everything there is to say....</TD></TR></TABLE><p><<Creeeaak>><p>That was the sound of that door being swung WIDE open. <p>Flame on. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: R sighting is good, but never a response from sightee. (stevectsai)

Sorry to interject guys, but:<p>Is this thread about the lack of response to sighting posts, or is it about the demographics of Volvo owners?<p>If the former, the thread can stay here so long as it gets back on track. If it's the latter, then I'll be moving this to the Off Topic Forum. If it's both, then the thread will get moved to a more appropriate forum.<p>Let me know <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Thanks to everyone for your participation!
 

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Re: R sighting is good, but never a response from sightee. (R Salesman)

Lee,<p>It's clearly a discussion about sightings and why we think people don't respond. The demographic of Volvo and R owners has EVERYTHING to do with why there are so few, if any, responses. The fact is, a vast majority of Volvo owners may surf the web, but most aren't Volvo car nuts.<p>I know moderating isn't always easy but does every thread have to be so tunnel visioned that every response needs to incorporate a specific reference to an R for the thread to truly be "R" appropriate?<p>-Eric
 
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