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OK, I still like my R but the fun factor is really wearing off. The reliability of my R is great but the performance factor is of course diminishing with more and more capable cars hitting the road.<p>Here's my dilemma - what would you replace the R with?<p>Audi S4: I've spent a lot of time in the B7 of late and while I like the engine note and marginally more grunt I can't help but feel the inferior long-term seat comfort, audio system, lack of exclusive leather like Atacama, etc. aren't enough to keep me happy or warrant a new purchase.<p>Audi RS4: probably the only car that could keep me happy for a few years that is currently on the market. Of course it is in short supply and I don't pay MSRP for anything let alone a markup. This one might make a lease candidate given my heart really belongs to...<p>BMW e90 M3: this will once again be the king of the hill and in sedan form it's the one I want. Unfortunately the sedan won't hit the street until 2008. Then there's the fact that the old e46 M3 still bests the B7 S4 and I know if I end up with a RS4 I'll be sorry when the e90 M3 shows up and owns it.<p>Porsche Cayman S: cool car but not quite practical enough for me at this point in life.<p>Mercedes C63: I think the body style is going to be replaced soon and so this one wouldn't even be a candidate for me. (For that matter the B7 Audis will be replaced in less than 18 months by the B8.)<p>My goal is to spend less than $70 (preferably less than $60k), get a true manual transmission, and still have some practicality and comfort. <p>I can't think of a single Japanese or American sedan that meets my needs (IS350 is closest but it's uninspiring despite a nice engine and it doesn't come with a manual.) <p>What am I missing? It seems like I've grown bored of my car at the worst possible time to find a replacement. I wish Volvo had an ace up their sleeve to deal in the form of a new R.<p>Any suggestions?
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (PhilUp)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PhilUp</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll just say one thing: I doubt the RS4 will run under $70k. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think the RS4 starts at 66k, and it comes with most every option you'd want.<p>You're right though, rollie... the E90 is gonna put a hurtin on the RS4! However, I think if you are going to invest in some serious mods, the RS4 might be a better platform... Not sure what is to come of the 335 from Bimmer (twin-turbo, 320hp) but obviously that would be a dream come true for tuners. There are a lot of great cars out now, but don't think you don't have one of them.
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (rollie)

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (rollie)

As you said yourself, time-wise, this is a poor time to get bored with your R. <p>So . . . <p>How about some mods to the R? ECU, downpipe, cat-back, springs, and sways. Parts and labor = ~$6k. Seems like a cheap way to make your boring R very much un-boring . . . at least, for a while <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (phuz)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Calm down there Phuz. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Like the original poster, I too have R malaise at times but from a different standpoint which I will not rehash yet again. What you need to ask yourself is whether any of these other potential purchases are that much better than what you currently have and are you willing to ride the depreciation wagon another time (if you bought that is). If yes, the test drive world awaits. If not, stick with what you've got because planned obselescence is a part of the consumer world.....deal with it and don't look to others to justify your purchases.
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (rollie)

What about a 550i?<p>360 hp/6 sp etc. Won't take an E90 when it arrives but it's an attractive package.<p>Well optioned you should still be able to come in under your price ceiling.
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (rollie)

There is but one solution:<p>Certified Preowned E39 M5.<p>400 hp, 4 door sedan, RWD.<p>They'll probably run in the mid 50K's for low mileage examples.<p>
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (rollie)

I feel your pain.<p>I drove a RS4 tonight, my friend bought it for MSRP 72K. They've 2 left all at MSRP and this is in SoCal. It is a fantastic car but out the door was 78.4K. This is M5 country and its a S4 size car. I loved it and had blessing from my wife to buy it if so urged...I'm still thinking it over....because I am number ONE on the E90 M3 list and I know the M3 will rule the nest.<p>At heart I'm a BMW guy and miss my E46 M3. The R is a great car but will never rise to the level of the M series cars. But if Volvo placed 15K more into each car maybe it would be fair to say that to be honest.<p>My other wild notion came about this week, I've a buddy who offered me one of his 2 Shelby GT500 slots for August. I could still order my options by Tuesday of next week. I would keep the R and track the Shelby. Fully loaded its 47K. My buddy handed me a free 30K based on markup right now and his generous nature has me thinking hard about the Shelby. This car sickness sucks at times but since giving up my M5 my wife wants me to buy something so I will STFU about it.<p>RS4, E90 M3 or Shelby....sounds almost like your list.
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (HarryHood)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>HarryHood</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is but one solution:<p>Certified Preowned E39 M5.<p>400 hp, 4 door sedan, RWD.<p>They'll probably run in the mid 50K's for low mileage examples.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Second that one! The e39 platform is also the last of the nice looking BMWs....<br>Mid 50s will get not just a low mileage version, but a pristine car. The earliest, '00 ones with some miles are now doen in the high 20s <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (FastWgn)

A friend of mine has a M5 E39. Almost stock( <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) That thing is SICK! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (ForceReconTrojan)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ForceReconTrojan</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">RS4, E90 M3 or Shelby....sounds almost like your list. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Recon... I'd love to be in your predicament! Think of this... The R offers interior comfort that even non-performance-minded luxury folks could appreciate for their daily driver. In the drivers seat of an R, only an enthusiast could tell it is geared at all towards performance, much like on the outside. (Something to love about the R is it's apparent consistancy). The M3 is still very luxurious, but it IS a sports car, and it tells you so from the interior to the exterior. Likewise, it drives like a sports car, unlike the stock or slightly modded R. The Shelby is ONLY a sports car. Track it, and love it, but after a day at the track, if you are going out to eat, you have to ask whether you'd rather be climbing into a very capable, pretty comfortable car, or a pretty capable very comfortable car. An M3 WOULD be a compromise; a line between the two. If you like the interior of the M3 better than the R's, (which would surprise me) that makes the decision tougher. By the way, *&^% the RS4! You get that car, and you better start driving with your eyes on the floor right away, because that M3 is commin for you, and being an M3 guy, it's gonna hurt even worse when you see one on the road. Good luck! *cough* *cou - get the shelby - gh* *cough* <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (rollie)

The Parnelli Jones/Saleen/Boss302 orange copy is about the neatest of the new Mustangs. (Saw it at the NY auto show and it knocked my socks off!<br>The preliminary road test back this up, saying it's one cool car.<br>Subtle it's not, but for about 51K, it's an interesting, fun choice although I'm not sure I would want it for a daily driver.<br>The probkem is (as is with me) the SEATS.<br>Nothing else (but a Volvo) out there that I'm comfortable in but I'm an exception with a VERY bad back
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The probkem is (as is with me) the SEATS.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yup. <p>Although my kid's Accord coupe has the cloth ("I don't want to sit on any dead cow") seats and they really aren't too bad. I think that Honda must have had a bunch of Volvo 850s and SC70s dissected into the tiniest of pieces behind their research shop. Just lookit the gauges, window switches and location of the seat heater switches. Anyway, if Carter's malaise is infecting the R pioneers, maybe it's OK to buy one now. That is, if the Filene's Basement-style pricing carries over to the '07s. I gotta say it was cool to have the fuzz pick off the SUV I was playing with yesterday, while ignoring me in the innocent Volvo. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (HarryHood)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>HarryHood</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is but one solution:<p>Certified Preowned E39 M5.<p>400 hp, 4 door sedan, RWD.<p>They'll probably run in the mid 50K's for low mileage examples.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>There's one down the street from my store for $39K. The M5 would make a nice replacement.
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (rollie)

I would have to agree with the 550i pick. Get one in blackwith the Auburn Leather (brown). Looks sharp. Sports package would be a must since the 5-series looks weird with smaller wheels.<p>Of course, I'd hate to see you leave the R gang. Maybe an 07 R picked up in Sweden? Drive it around Europe for a couple of weeks and ship it back. Maybe a V70R?
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (FastWgn)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FastWgn</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Second that one! The e39 platform is also the last of the nice looking BMWs....<br>Mid 50s will get not just a low mileage version, but a pristine car. The earliest, '00 ones with some miles are now doen in the high 20s <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>For a sedan I will third that choice. However, if I had your predicament at my stage of life (don't need a 4 seater) I would get the newest Porsche 911/Carrera 4S AWD Coupe I could afford. That is a fun car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Jim
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (rollie)

Drive a domestic for awhile, then all that you have noted plus your R will stand out.
 

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Re: R malaise anyone? What to do... (rollie)

Nice shopping list, I'm surprised you even bought an R in the first place, clearly your shopping lattitudes would have written the R off as a non contender even just a couple of years ago when they were first available in 2003.<br>For the kind of money you are talking your could rent a Ferrari for a month and have your engine taken out, sent to MTE for custom internals and mapping and reinstalled with tonnes of new performanc. For less you could also get one of the kits IPD put in their montser wagon project.
 
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