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Well, my wife smashed up our wagon this morning. It was in a parking lot, and she and the cop said it was the other drivers fault. I'll post some pics this afternoon. She said she was only going 10-15 mph but it looks worse than that. The airbags did not deploy so I guess it was fairly slow. Everything forward of the windshield is ruined. At least this settles that question of whether to buy the car off lease or not. I don't think it will be the same after this. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: 'R Curse' spreads to South Jersey (Dashdog)

sorry to hear about the boo-boo...glad she is ok! lots of people are becoming so irresponsible in parking lots.<p>driving my car through a parking lot is like walking on eggshells...i hate it!<br>...especially the rare times in which i have to run into (dare i say it) wal-mart.
 

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Re: 'R Curse' spreads to South Jersey (phuz)

I agree. I creep through parking lots with my head on a swivel. Amazingly, very few people actually turn around and look when backing up. They count on those back-up sensors and a quick glance in the mirror. Or they just wait until they hit something. My wife was actually driving down the center of the lot (where there are no spaces), and another car shot out from a parking lane. She hit it broadside and I guess it didn't give very much. It was an Acura TL, and I guess those wide tires stuck pretty good. Too bad it wasn't a nice tall Jeep or something that would just tip over at the slightest provocation.
 

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Re: 'R Curse' spreads to South Jersey (Dashdog)

Here's the pics I promised:<p> <IMG SRC="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j230/Dashdog8/100_1579.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j230/Dashdog8/100_1578.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j230/Dashdog8/100_1577.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j230/Dashdog8/100_1576.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j230/Dashdog8/100_1574.jpg" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: 'R Curse' spreads to South Jersey (Dashdog)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dashdog</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The airbags did not deploy so I guess it was fairly slow.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I hope your wife is feeling okay. In the end, that's all that really matters. Sucks about your car though.<p>As far as airbags go, the speed of the impact probably had little do with whether or not the airbag deployed. Basically, if you don't hit something at the right angle and hit the airbag sensors, they won't go off. My wife was in an accident several years ago when another car went through a red light. She almost T-boned the Minivan mid-intersection as it flew through and her airbag never deployed. She was estimated as doing 25-30mph at the time of impact but since the impact was offset on the passenger side, it didn't set off her airbag.<p>-Eric
 

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Re: 'R Curse' spreads to South Jersey (Dashdog)

Wow! All that damage in the parking lot? Was the other guy driving a tank? Sorry to see that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: 'R Curse' spreads to South Jersey (Dashdog)

Sorry about your car- that looks a lot worse than what I would imagine 10-15 mph in a parking lot would cause. Glad everyone is okay.
 

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Re: 'R Curse' spreads to South Jersey (Sue Esponte)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Sue Esponte</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I hope your wife is feeling okay. In the end, that's all that really matters. Sucks about your car though.<p>As far as airbags go, the speed of the impact probably had little do with whether or not the airbag deployed. Basically, if you don't hit something at the right angle and hit the airbag sensors, they won't go off. My wife was in an accident several years ago when another car went through a red light. She almost T-boned the Minivan mid-intersection as it flew through and her airbag never deployed. She was estimated as doing 25-30mph at the time of impact but since the impact was offset on the passenger side, it didn't set off her airbag.<p>-Eric</TD></TR></TABLE><p>As you said Eric, it's not the speed of the impact, it's the deceleration rate, as well as the angle and a whole host of other things, including whether the seat belt is buckled or not. I believe that the R's have two stage airbags which deploy at different rates depending on the deceleration of the car? <p>Too bad about the car. That's a lot of damage for a parking lot fender bender. Is there damage to the suspension / engine, or just the sheetmetal? I wouldn't be surprised if Volvo builds in all that sheet metal damage as an energy release, rather than trying to save a couple of $ after the accident by making the front end cosmetics sturdier. Anyone know the truth to that?
 

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Wow, really sorry about that. Cars can be replaced lives cant.... glad everyone is ok (I hope your kids werent in the car, as I can see what I presume is to be them in one of the photos).<p>On a lighter note: I love the first pic of the car at the dealership with the paint on the ground reading "Pre-owned" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>As you said Eric, it's not the speed of the impact, it's the deceleration rate, as well as the angle and a whole host of other things, including whether the seat belt is buckled or not. I believe that the R's have two stage airbags which deploy at different rates depending on the deceleration of the car? <p>Too bad about the car. That's a lot of damage for a parking lot fender bender. Is there damage to the suspension / engine, or just the sheetmetal? I wouldn't be surprised if Volvo builds in all that sheet metal damage as an energy release, rather than trying to save a couple of $ after the accident by making the front end cosmetics sturdier. Anyone know the truth to that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm guessing the same thing- that is that the damage is all external, but who knows. Her belt was on, and no kids. And yes that is my son in one of the pics. I never noticed the pre-owned writing on the ground. It would be funnier if it said 'Certified' in front of it.
 

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Re: 'R Curse' spreads to South Jersey (Sue Esponte)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Sue Esponte</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>As far as airbags go, the speed of the impact probably had little do with whether or not the airbag deployed. <p>-Eric</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Well, perhaps, but THAT <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> hit should have sent a signal to the airbag.<br>I would seriously have Volvo look at that.<br>I would bet the sensors were not right<p>On second thought after looking carefully at the pics, I would guess that ALL the damage is cosmetic. I don't think your rad support is even bent<br>Sorry to see that but I'm glad your wife is OK.<br>A GOOD painter can get that back to 100% with no ill effects on the way it drives as it looks like the suspension wasn't hit.<br>If it was it looks like just replacement parts only, nothing to "make straight again"
 

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I believe it goes on deceleration as well...maybe she didnt brake.... who knows either way I would go with JRL and have it investiagted
 

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Sorry to hear about that dashdog, but dont worry should buff right out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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That looks like more 15 MPH. I am not an expert, but that is a serious hit.<br>When I had my accident with my Saab a couple of years ago I hit a Honda Odessey going approx 20 MPH in almost the same spot your R got hit. The damage wasn't remotely that sever. In my impact the airbag didn't go off either, but at 20 MPH there wasn't even a mark from the seatbelt on me.<p>Most importantly your wife is OK and maybe you'll soon have a lovely '06 V70R in Electric Silver if the car is a total loss! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Well, I doubt it's totalled. I think that the damage looks worse than it is because the other car was moving pretty quickly right-to-left when she hit him. It looks like the other car pulled everything over to the right, so even though the frontal force was relatively low (hence no airbag), everything deformed badly because of the side load. It does concern me that the right fender bent so far. It may just be from the bumper pushing it, but it's possible that there is some internal damage under there. BTW JRL, there was no coolant loss so I think you're right about the radiator. <br>This accident brings up something I've been complaining about for years in newer car designs. Most of them, and especially the S60 and V70's have an extremely thick and steeply raked A-pillar. I realize this is for aerodynamics and crash safety (not to mention looks), it creates a bad blind spot. My wife says she never saw the other car, and I think it's possible that it was completely obscurred by the A-pillar. I'm sure you've all noticed at times how hard it is to see when turning left- especially if you sit close to the wheel. I guess the solution is lighter-stronger materials, since I doubt anyone is going back to more upright windshields.. Volvo has the opportunity to take the lead in safety here (are you listening?). Perhaps a see-through pillar?<br>Also, is it possible for the repair shop to get the pieces pre-painted from the factory? Thanks.
 

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haing just had my car repaired for 16 geand after a rear end collision the parts do not come prepainted, the painter at the body shop should be able to blend everything in if he knows what he is doing.
 

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I'm pretty sure the bumper cover is the only collision item available pre-painted.<p>And I think you're right - looks much worse than it is. A lot of sheet metal damage but little if any frame damage. Still sucks though. Glad your wife is OK.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dashdog</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Volvo has the opportunity to take the lead in safety here (are you listening?). Perhaps a see-through pillar?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Volvo introduced this concept on the Safety Concept Car. Just a matter of time before it makes it to production. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://www.automotive-technology.com/projects/volvo_safety_car/images/83VSCC-2.jpg" BORDER="0">
 

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That was one of my first complaints about the car when i got it. I always find myself leaning forward and trying to peer around the A pillar cause it's so freaking thick. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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