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Hi. I'm a newbie here; this is my first post. I've got 220K miles on my '95 854 Turbo (I've never needed to add any oil), and I think I might rather pick up an '06 or '07 S60 R (GT) than pour any money into the old Classic Green ghost. I've read many posts here. I'm now looking for specific information, from the voices of experience, to help me reach a successful decision. I will treasure any/all feedback. TIA.<p>THE BASICS<p>I think I want a caR that's never been modded or "hot rodded", with a chin that's not already sagging. There are lots of '06s out there now; the '07s that went out on 2-yr leases are already showing up. I'm not sure if any running changes (in driveline production/materials?) make an '07 significantly more desirable or not. I'm not sure if I like having a turn signal light embedded in the mirrors or not. Ideally, I'll find a caR whose engine is fully broken in but not at all sludged inside, primed and ready for a switch to Mobil 1 (unless it's already running synthetic).<p>COLOR<p>IMHO, the Sonic Blue is great eye candy; it really makes me want such a caR. But in terms of having_it being as nice as wanting_it, I think I'd prefer the invisible color, Magic (dark metallic) Blue, though gray (or maybe silver?) might also be good. (If no one notices/sees the parked caR, no one's drooling on it or peering inside it, and noticing the Valentine 1...) In my experience, red attracts too much of the wrong kind of attention... I've never owned a black car. I know I prefer the Gobi (light) color seats. Not to stir up any angry debates, but among R drivers, what is the average length of exposure time before the orange interior simply becomes "too much"?<p>WHEEL SIZE:<p>The car sure is sharper-looking with 18" wheels. Depending upon color and/or body kit, it's probably even a bit of a babe magnet. But I'm not convinced that I don't want/need a taller sidewall to co-exist and cope with the real world (including an occasional unpaved road). I think I might even prefer the 17s (R tires seem to be less expensive and more robust in that size). If I do wind up with 18s, I think I'll feel the need to purchase some kind of road hazard warranty (about +13% of cost); with 17s I'm not sure how necessary/advisable that would be. How much of a difference (17 vs 18) can be felt/noticed from behind the wheel? (Curb rash: have any Volvo/dealers ever been known to deny warranty claims on wheel bearings due to a little superficial/cosmetic wheel damage?)<p>BODY KIT:<p>One of the cars on my radar has a full(?) body kit that (supposedly) came installed from the factory. (That one is Magic Blue; having a body kit seems to be at cross-purposes with that 'invisible' caR color, though its 18" wheels are darker/titanium gray.) This is one of my biggest unknowns. Is there any difference between/among body kits (assuming there is more than 1)? I imagine the front winglets(?) hang at least as low as the stock/standard chin, further forward, so they must scrape driveway entrances at least as much as the stock chin does. Is that true? Does that mean that they're made to take more abuse than the stock/naked chin on a car with no body kit? So do they stand up to occasional encounters with pavement/curbs better than the stock/naked chin? Also, is the body kit mere eye candy or does it actually lower the coefficient of drag enough to significantly increase highway fuel economy (and/or reduce lift at autobahn speeds)?<p>IAQS:<p>I think I REALLY prefer to find a car with this option, maybe even enough to prefer an '06 with it over an '07 w/o it. But I don't know... Does it work? How well/perfectly? (If it's so good, why don't all good caRs have it?) Is it true that IAQS cars come with the activated charcoal cabin air filter while the non-IAQS cars come with simpler (paper? 3M-filtrete-like?) filters? (If so, doesn't that imply that the IAQS is not quick enough or smart enough to shut out some odors?)<p>NAVIGATION:<p>Only a small percentage of the caRs out there have this, so this may be my least significant concern. Is it any good? How good? Is the DVD being shared already (or even sharable), or is it an expensive proposition to get a periodic update from a Volvo stealer (mine wants $550 for an R key), or...? Is it the same DVD in all Volvos (so could data from a new [perhaps test-driven] S80 or XC60 be useful to a nav-equipped R owner)?<p>WARRANTY:<p>If I find a car I like but it's at a non-V dealer, can anyone recommend a good independent extended warranty? Since the car might be far away, and I'd then need/want to get an independent inspection done anyway, is there a way to tie those two needs together? Or is it better to get the car and then get it CPO'd/VIP'd at a good dealer somewhere? How much should that cost? (So far, I've found 1 CPO caR with mismatched tires [H-rated on F, W-rated on R] and another with screws holding its chin up. The non-CPO caR <i>YV1RH527962554426</i> I found at the local V dealer has a fist-sized shallow dent in its subframe. Caveat emptor...)<p>VALENTINE 1:<p>Has anyone come up with any kind of neat installation, or do folks just hang 'em from a visor in these cars? (I think I might want to resort to using a razor blade to remove a rectangle of that paint inside the windshield by the rearview mirror, but I don't know...)<p>AUDIO SYSTEM:<p>My 850's radio(s; I upgraded to SC815) has no steering wheel controls, but it does have a[n instant] mute/pause function (just push the volume knob in; there's a separate switch for power...). Has that nicety been lost in Rs? Also, can anyone point me in the right direction to learn what kind of digital audio input/interface options are do-able on the HU-850? (I think there's a kludge/way to make an iPod's 1st 10 playlists mimic a 10-CD changer, but that's all I've even heard of, and I don't know any more about it than that.)<p>CLIMATE:<p>That caR with the dented subframe was a California car. Apparently the CARB law has teeth that causes most CA dealers to not want to keep the leased cars they get back. How well do Rs stand up to snowy/icy winters? Is (salt) corrosion an issue? Does a driver who doesn't know how to drive on ice or snow, or bother with winter tires, but just expects a magic caR to make traction for them, take a big toll on the AWD system?<p>Sorry for such a long post. Thanks to all the voices here!<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Turbo Country at 9:33 PM 8-17-2009</i>
 

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Re: R-buying helpful insights sought (Turbo Country)

THE BASICS<p>Not much difference between an '06 and '07. From what I've read here the R engine is pretty robust and you should be fine getting one with a clear service history.<p>COLOR<p>Get what YOU like best. I have black, love it. I woulda got sonic had the wife not vetoed it. IMO the darker gray is nicer than the light.<p>WHEEL SIZE:<p>Not many after market wheels out there. I've had 18 and 17 inch pegs and didn't note any remarkable difference in terms of dealing with road hazards, sidewall clearance, babe magnetification, etc. 18's will hit pot holes harder bit it also depends on your sidewall thickness. If you find 17's and you love the car get it and make those your winter wheels. Easy to get a set of 18's for the summer.<p>I smacked a curb front right and had the wheel bearing replaced under warranty no problem. Experiences like this are dealer dependent <p><br>BODY KIT = goodbye winglets<p>As far as I know, the kit provides no real world improvements in performance. Merely for aesthetic purposes<p>IAQS = pointless non function rip off gadget that Volvo would love for you to buy so you can still have a stinky inside when you drive past a sewage treatment plant, sit behind a diesel rig, etc. <p>Don't give it serious consideration, from my experience.<p>NAVIGATION:<p>If this is a priority, I would highly recommend you consider an after market unit and dash kit like what I've done. FAR better return for your dollar (and I can watch Countdown on my way to/from work! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> I have little experience/knowledge about after market HUs but the install was cake.<p><IMG SRC="http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e24/msyd34/IMG_2405Large.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Garmin navigation and seamless iPod integration? It's ridiculous!<p>WARRANTY:<p>Volvo CPO is the best way to go. you'll be hard pressed to find an extended warranty for a used R outside of this.<p><br>VALENTINE 1:<p>I've got mine hard wired up and left of the rear view mirror. the power cable easily snakes through the ceiling and down the A-pillar. Very clean and relatively easy.<p>AUDIO SYSTEM:<p>Again, going with an after market unit (I've got Kenwood's DNX1700 and love it) is a neat trick with flawless iPod integration, newer units are out now. You CAN retain your steering wheel controls but it is QUITE expensive. I don't miss mine. And forget multi disc cd player, that's why God made Steve Jobs.<p>CLIMATE:<p>Now your just being silly! JK<p>These are Volvos, they LOVE ice and snow even if you don't (assuming you aren't doing it with stock Pirellis!). Two sets of wheels are nice to have, don't mess with cold conditions with summer tires (how do you think I ended up needing that wheel bearing replaced!?) I live 30 seconds from the pacific ocean and my paint/metal is corrosion free after 3.5 years, nary a rust mark.<p>I'll pretend you didn't ask about the AWD function.<p>Bottom line: find what you'll be the most happy with, treat her nicely with some bells and whistles if you like, and remember every car will let you down at some point. I just love mine too darn much to care.<p>Welcome to the R world. You'll never laugh as hard about steamy rhino dung as you will here. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Sounds like your a diligent shopper!<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by chinaonnitrous1 at 11:35 PM 8-17-2009</i>
 

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Re: R-buying helpful insights sought (Turbo Country)

I'll just respond in the format you've incorporated. I've omitted a few of your topics since I'm not completely knowledgeable on some of them. <p>THE BASICS<p>Differences between the 06 and 07? The '07 can come with a 'climate' kit that involves a built-in digital compass in the rear-view mirror (absolutely useless), and some silver plastic trim accents on the ac vents and steering wheel controls that are kind of neat, but nothing amazing. The '07 also features the new style silver/gray volvo center caps in the rims. The '07s usually have a headphone jack in the center console as well, for hooking up an iPod or something similar. There are some other minor things, but I can't remember them at the moment. <p>COLOR<p>I love the Sonic Blue, it really isn't too bad at attracting attention from the wrong people, and I get compliments on the color all the time from the right people. I completely agree about red being too flashy (still a great color though). I'm biased, however, as I have the Sonic Blue. I would definitely get the Titanium Gray as my second choice (the dark gray), the color looks gorgeous. It's hard to choose between Sonic Blue and Titanium Gray for me. Ultimately however, it's impossible to pick a color that looks bad on this car. <p>I'm a gobi fan, had the option of the orange (atacama), but it is just too much for me, plus the gobi looks better with the sonic blue in my opinion. But I do think the atacama looks better with the darker colors. Not sure how long it would wear well on one's eyes. <p><br>BODY KIT:<p>I do appreciate how good the body kit looks, but from a practical point of view, I could see it getting pretty beat up. I baby my car and still end up accidentally smacking the front bumper against things (and this is WITHOUT the body kit). <p>IAQS:<p>I actually notice the difference. Some very very strong smells can get through, yes, but when I switch over to my Chevy, the difference is obvious. <p>NAVIGATION:<p>I just use a Garmin Navi. It's fantastic. Haven't used the factory Navi system. <p>WARRANTY:<p>As mentioned, a warranty is an excellent idea on these cars. I think mine has already paid for itself, in fact. <p>AUDIO SYSTEM:<p>No more mute button. <p>There are two options for external sources hooked up to the factory head unit:<p>iMIV: this company makes adapters exclusively for Volvo cars, and they are very popular among this forum because of close ties to the people who work there. <p>pros: high quality. Three units available, one offers support for video ipods. Can charge newer generation ipods. On-screen info of artist/song playing etc. <br>cons: can be pricey, especially with all the cable costs included (they are purchased seperately). <p><A HREF="http://www.imiv.ca" TARGET="_blank">http://www.imiv.ca</A> <p>USASPEC-PA11: offered by a bigger company that makes adapters for Hondas and other cars<p>pros: typically cheaper, easier to find used (at a good deal consequently) offers both iPod and aux input capability in one unit for cheaper than the iMIV. all cables included<br>Cons: no on-screen display on the headunit. <p>you can find this on ebay or through a google search.<p>CLIMATE:<p>They do great in the snow. They also offer a 12 year corrosion-free guarantee on the paint regardless of mileage. <p><br>
 

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As someone else said, you are definitely thorough with your car search. Best of luck. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I'll touch on a couple of topics:<p><B>Interior </B> ATACAMA is the best available IMO. I've had my (current) R for over two years and still love the looks of it. It gets many commments from people and looks great on the Black Sapphire. Regardless of which interior you go with, be sure to use Woolite Cleaner and Lexol Conditioner. <p><B>Wheel Size</B> Like many others here, I run 17's in the winter and 18's in the summer. I haven't noticed much difference in the ride between the two. The 18's look MUCH better IMO. The roads in Utah must be better cause I haven't had too many issues like some people back east. <p><B>Body Kit</B> The body kit completes the car. The R still looks good without it but a kit completely changes the look. I definitely have issues with the winglets. I already had to replace one and I get them repainted every summer. Definitely leave the winglets off if you plan on driving the R in snowy conditions.
 

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<b>Thanks</b> for all the great feedback, especially Jexx's detailed audio info + link! It's nice to know there are multiple options. I know colors are subjective, but I dreamed that possibly someone would read all that and say, "I know just the used R for you!". Since I'll need to modify my driveway apron where it meets the street just to get an R with no body kit in and out of my driveway w/o scraping, I think maybe it'd be best if I got one w/o the body kit...<p>As for climate/winter/snow, I mainly wondered if there were any common/known corrosion issues if/when a caR is driven in a locale that uses a lot of salt, and also if a moronic previous owner who thought that AWD can overcome the laws of physics and make it through a Winter or two of light/moderate snow on Summer tires could have, uh, over-used (inadvertently cooked) the AWD system.<p>EXTENDED WARRANTY OPTION:<p>I called the local dealer (that one who wants $550 for a new R key) and asked how much they charge for VIP (<b>V</b>olvo <b>I</b>ncreased <b>P</b>rotection) extended warranty coverage plan. When he called back I was told $2800. (I <i>thought</i> I heard that V dealers pay like $1100 to CPO a used car, so that's higher than I was hoping to hear; I don't know how much of that is ADP.)<p>I <i>think</i> VIP is a customer-owned equivalent of CPO done on a used car by a dealer (both extend the factory warr to 6 yrs / 100K mi). I <i>think</i> VIP is available to any owner of any Volvo that has more than 1 month and more than 1K miles remaining on the original factory warranty.<p>I'm hopeful that if any of that info is bad, someone here will let us all know...<br>
 

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Re: General Reply and Extended Warranty Feedback Sought (Turbo Country)

$2800 for a VIP? No that sounds too high. Now that hopefully had the charge for the higher mileage car in there. I was seeing 7yr $50 deductibles for $1800 or so.<p>You can get some of them to come off on the mileage charge.
 

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Re: General Reply and Extended Warranty Feedback Sought (inteller)

Find out why the vehicle is for sale. If it was a gem it would not be for sale. With everything that goes on with this thing I would never buy one used. The original owner could have driven it to death and then limped it in to the dealer for trade in.
 

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Re: General Reply and Extended Warranty Feedback Sought (dave_n_ruth)

being an 06 or 07 it will have less problems than the earlier ones.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>inteller</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">$2800 for a VIP? No that sounds too high. Now that hopefully had the charge for the higher mileage car in there. I was seeing 7yr $50 deductibles for $1800 or so.<p>You can get some of them to come off on the mileage charge.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>beats the 3850 i was quoted for VIP a few months back, was @ ~ 43000 miles and 6 months from factory expiring. that was @ volvo, 3rd party will be cheaper i'm sure.<br>
 

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I called a dealer in Denver today regarding VIP, and was told that for a $0-deductible VIP it would be $4737 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> Inquiring further, it became clear how unclear it all was; so many variables... (if the car's more than 15 mo 16.5K mi then it's $275 more, after 30mo or 31.5K mi it's +$805 -- of course, it's all by "class" and, not surprisingly, the R is in an 'upper' [2nd highest] class); she also mentioned some insurance (that's what these things are; Volvo's VIP is supposedly provided/covered by APCO insurance) from General Motors that's less unreasonably priced (like $2410 with a zero deductible; $1855 with a $200 deductible)...<p>There are also a handful of companies mentioned at <A HREF="https://carchex.com/protect/Coverages.aspx" TARGET="_blank">https://carchex.com/protect/Coverages.aspx</A> and I've read some of the policies (CWS seemed less unreasonable than others) but I haven't priced any of them yet. Some seem more cleverly worded by lawyers than others...<p>> Find out why the vehicle is for sale.<p>Right! It evidently came off a 2-yr lease in CT ~2~3 months ago. I think it's unmodded and probably not hot-rodded, with a quite-scuffed+gouged but not sagging chin and slightly low miles, but no 3rd party inspection will take place until I make an offer that's accepted (mine wasn't) and I put down a deposit. I've contacted the original dealer (revealed in carfax report) to ask why they put it up for auction instead of hanging on to it, but they're vague at best, saying that either the caR was somehow not up to their standards or else maybe they had enough caRs on the lot at the time and/or maybe they just weren't buying any cars at all then. (I was hoping that they'd tell me that they merely remembered that the caR had sat there for 3 months before it was sold, back when it was new and the economy was better, and that's why they passed on it now, but no such luck.) I also talked with someone in their service department to see if anyone there remembered this caR and any work that may have been done on/to it. She told me she could only look that up by VIN. So I told her the VIN. But all I could manage to squeeze out of her was that nothing unusual or far out the ordinary jumped out at her; she cited privacy concerns (a la attorney-client privilege), which I found annoying (I don't know who the ex-owner was nor do I expect to ever find out, and I didn't know that cars -- even caRs -- had privacy rights...).<p>I have a pretty good feeling (via some pix and trying to read between the lines...) about this caR; I'm not averse to taking a 'slight' risk if I think I can get a lot of caR for not a lot of money. But between not knowing much/anything about the caR's past, and hearing ridiculously high prices for VIP (even if I only kept the young caR for 2 years, it'd still be a good thing to have at resale time), I'm loath to make [much] higher than my low-ball offer to this non-Volvo dealer 2K miles away, which kind of leaves me slightly stuck in neutral for the time being (a Gray/Orange one in Boise [a much nicer drive for me...] came down 10% in price over the weekend, but it's older, has a body kit, is also uncertified, and I'm still unsure how the orange might wear on my eyes)... I'd hoped I could be a "vulture of mercy" and save this caR from just sitting there with its rotors rusting away... Maybe towards month's end they'll come around and take their medicine (I'm convinced it's a buyer's market), but before too much longer I will become less interested in it and otheRs will appear on the market...<br>
 
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