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What mods would you make to get sub 5 second 0-60 times?<p>I have seen the common ECU/DP/Exhaust upgrades in a lot of sigs, and wonder what returns on performance that gives.<p>Thanks!<br>
 

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Re: Question on Mods (Tagsley)

ECU/Exhaust/DP is probably the best [and most common/bang for the buck] thing to do to your car as far as performance goes. the rest is to improve handling, unless you want to upgrade your turbo and internals.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tagsley</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What mods would you make to get sub 5 second 0-60 times?<p>I have seen the common ECU/DP/Exhaust upgrades in a lot of sigs, and wonder what returns on performance that gives.<p>Thanks!<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>ECU dp and exhaust will get you into the high 5's to low 6's.<p>Sub 5's is going to take a Garret GT 30 Series or similar turbo upgrade, front mount IC, Down pipe, exhaust, custom ECU tune, 750cc injectors. We've done repeatable 0-60's in 4.85 sec with this set up. Cost approximatley $15K. Takes a little practice with a manual trans. 60' times are where it's done. If you botch the launch, let up and start over. <p>Could probably be done once or twice for under $1000 with the right nitrous kit!
 

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"ECU dp and exhaust will get you into the high 5's to low 6's."<p>Dang, I thought that the 6mt will run 5.4 secs stock? Am I totally off base here?<p>ps - thansk for the quick replies
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tagsley</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"ECU dp and exhaust will get you into the high 5's to low 6's."<p>Dang, I thought that the 6mt will run 5.4 secs stock? Am I totally off base here?<p>ps - thansk for the quick replies</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>I think 5.4 is what Volvo published "as tested by Road & Track".........<p>We're not trying to burst any bubbles, just sharing what we and many other forum members here have experienced. This topic was beat to death back when the new R was first released. Owners threatend lawsuits etc, etc. <p>The issue is important to us as we want to avoid the situation where a customer upgrades his car and <I>then </I><U></U>decides to measure the 0-60 or 1/4 mile performance ( or dyno it) only to find out that it barely improved on the "published" benchmarks. Without a baseline it's difficult to convince them that in most cases, the car simply does not perform close to the published specs. <p>There's not much that can be done about that, and hey, if yours' does perform at those levels, it is going to be just that much better after upgrading. <p>Bottom line-<br>You should alwasy base line your car for your own point of reference before making upgrades.
 

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Thank you Scott.<p>I was unaware that the Volvo claims were so inaccurate. I certainly appreciate your objectivity.<p>What sort of 0-60 times should one realistically expect from a stock R? And what would one expect from the standard ECU/DP/Exhaust mods?<p>Don't need exact times, but like you said, I would like to temper my enthusiasm with realism.<p>My very very very profound thanks for enlightening me to this misrepresentation.<br>
 

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Personally, I think a ECU/DP/Cat-back combo PLUS a stage 3 clutch will really help get your 0-60 times down. Get a good clutch, rev it up to 4500 and dump it . . . THAT's a launch <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Oh, and if you do it at sea level and on a 12 degree morning, you just might make it sub-5's. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cicada</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ECU/Exhaust/DP is probably the best [and most common/bang for the buck] thing to do to your car as far as performance goes. the rest is to improve handling, unless you want to upgrade your turbo and internals.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>For me, doing an aftermarket exhaust on this car is more about sound than necessarily performance. Suggestion would be to do the ECU & DP and then in lieu of the exhaust, take the same $$ and do the center resonator mod and add an Aquamist system. That way, you get (nearly) the same performance year-round in toasty California and a good throaty exhaust note. <p>Just my $.02...<p>moddeR
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tagsley</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What mods would you make to get sub 5 second 0-60 times?<br>I have seen the common ECU/DP/Exhaust upgrades in a lot of sigs, and wonder what returns on performance that gives.<br>Thanks!<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>CAI, filter, DP, exhaust plus ECU will give you a real good boost in horsepower. <p>Very cold air, 93+ octane and lighter wheels also will help<p>But sub 5 second 0-60 times requires <B>tires that break loose when you launch</B><p>Check out the effect of bog...<br><IMG SRC="http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2596/bog9nf.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>first run is with 225/45 wintersport M3s on 17" pegs that would break loose when I launched. The rest are with summer tires and lightweight 18" OZs which helped, but couldn't overcome the bog. All runs done with ARAL 100 fuel.<p>Because of the AWD traction, even with a 4K rpm clutch dump, the engine bogs down, the RPMs fall below 2500 rpm, and you don't go anywhere for half a second (note the horizontal movement on graph. <p>Volvo claims of 295 lb ft at 1950, that is crap IMO, doesn't show up till after 3000rpm when turbo spools up. The bog is that time from 2000-3000 rpms. <p>With M3s on, the wheels would break loose intermittently instead of engine bogging, sort of a zip, zip, zip and you are flying like being launched out of a catapult.<p>So, get some winter tires on OZ Ultraleggeras, CAI, BMC/JR filter, DP, exhaust and ECU (all can be had for less than $5K) and do some 0-60 runs with a 4K rpm clutch drop when it is below 50 degrees outside and you will see below 5 second 0-60. <p>Note, unless you are doing a lot of streetlight racing, the difference with CAI, filter, DP, exhaust and ECU will completely blow your mind when you downshift and punch it while rolling, when bog doesn't come into play.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tagsley</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thank you Scott.<p>I was unaware that the Volvo claims were so inaccurate. I certainly appreciate your objectivity.<p>What sort of 0-60 times should one realistically expect from a stock R? And what would one expect from the standard ECU/DP/Exhaust mods?<p>Don't need exact times, but like you said, I would like to temper my enthusiasm with realism.<p>My very very very profound thanks for enlightening me to this misrepresentation.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>When local customers come to our shop for upgrades and they don't have a base line established, if we have time, we will install our G-tech and go out with them to run a few 0-60's. Most R owners can reapeat 0-60 in about 6.2 to 6.5 seconds Manual trans. If it's an auto trans add about a second more.
 

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R-Kelly - <p>Those are nice numbers! Curious about the Mar 12 run though....<p>Not only are your 0-60 times better than the rest, but also your passing times. I noticed that your shift point was also higher, could that have affected them as well?<p>Scott - <p>Have you tested a stock R with only the Aquamist mod? I am interested in how much of the Volvo claim is due to "optimal conditions." The Aquamist should provide a reasonable facimile of those, right?<br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tagsley</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">R-Kelly - <p>Scott - <p>Have you tested a stock R with only the Aquamist mod? I am interested in how much of the Volvo claim is due to "optimal conditions." The Aquamist should provide a reasonable facimile of those, right?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I haven't, but there should be some informative posts popping up in the next week or two as we just shipped a 7or 8 of them this past week to swedespeed group buy folks. <p>There were several requests for R specifc Aquamist instrucions which we will be doing on a local customers R soon. We'll have some of our own data in a few weeks and will post as well. <p>It will certainly help when ambient is above 70 deg or so, but in stock form the cars are even slower than the figures mentioned above when it gets hot out.<p>A few SS members have commented " Get the ipd ecu upgrade and your car will perform the way it was supposed to......." . Upsetting for some, a solution for others!<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tagsley</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">R-Kelly - <br>Those are nice numbers! Curious about the Mar 12 run though....<br>Not only are your 0-60 times better than the rest, but also your passing times. I noticed that your shift point was also higher, could that have affected them as well?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The "fixed shiftpoint" is just when I told the G-tech to flash the LEDs to let me know to shift. I must have changed it between the two dates. Evidently because of the nature of the torque curve, in stock cars you want to shift around 6300 for overall quicker acceleration. <p>HOWEVER, if you are focusing on a 0-60 time versus 1/4 mile, you want to wait to shift till higher in second because 60 mph arrives right around 6400 rpm. On the car I was driving when I recorded the G-tech times, it had a 7100 rpm limit. <p>Also, remember all those times were done when it was cold outside, the 12 mar it was around 30 degrees, the Apr times it was about 45 degrees.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Scott Hart</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Sub 5's is going to take a Garret GT 30 Series or similar turbo upgrade, front mount IC, Down pipe, exhaust, custom ECU tune, 750cc injectors. We've done repeatable 0-60's in 4.85 sec with this set up. Cost approximatley $15K. T<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I would love to see the price break down on that kit....
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tagsley</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What mods would you make to get sub 5 second 0-60 times?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Move to a VERY cold climate where the turbo and intercooler can be happy.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tagsley</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dang, I thought that the 6mt will run 5.4 secs stock? Am I totally off base here?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>As Scott mentioned, R&T managed a 5.5 second run but most of us won't submit a clutch to that much abuse or would know how to precisely launch with that abuse.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>lax01</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would love to see the price break down on that kit....</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>still waiting on that answer...
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>lax01</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">still waiting on that answer...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>In case you didn't know, it's the weekend. And I doubt Scott is going to give you an answer.
 

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I didn't know the internet didn't work on the weekends....<p>and I didn't think he would...
 

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It doesn't take $15k to get an S60R to go 0-60 in less than 5 seconds.<p>GT turbo, downpipe, exhaust, FMIC, RICA tuning, FMIC should do it. The R block is fairly strong.<p>The reason IPD's kit costs $15k is because they're paying for a "kit" in which all the parts are marked above market price, have it sent from Europe then they're having to make their own profit on it. There are a lot of problems there, to start with, ask one of your European friends how much they have to pay to get a GT turbo (a lot more than in the US) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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um...yeah....last I checked....everything in that kit could be had for under $7k....the turbo is like $1200 retail and by far the most expensive thing in there...I'm guessing you get a lot of tuning for $8K!
 
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