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I've noticed recently that the axle ping/clicking has resurfaced after the gluing fix about two years ago. Yesterday, I noticed that the drivetrain now has a TON more slack in it. I had to completely change how I shift gears to avoid getting a massive jerk on each change. Plus, now when I go on/off throttle, you get a massive jerk in the transition, worst in low gears, but even in 6th it's usually noticeable. I used to be able to slam the gas on and off in 3rd-6th gears without even this slightest hint of a jerk, and now there is a ton of jerkiness.<p>Should I just try tightening the axle bolts and see if it goes away? Any other things to try as an easy and quick DIY fix? Or should I just head to the dealer and let the CPO warranty cover the fix?<p>To the local guys, has Kline ever done the axle ping fix for any of you? (Of course, ignore this question if it turns out drivetrain slack has nothing to do with the axle ping looseness.)
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (Warpedcow)

have you checked the lower trans mount recently?
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (FEO)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FEO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">have you checked the lower trans mount recently?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>+1, was going to suggest this<p>my axel ping has come back. I ordered bolts from BVV, I need to take the ten minutes to put them in. Once I do I can tell you if I notice a difference.<p>
 

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I have those exact same symptoms. Clicking sound from the front axle and terrible surging when I let off the gas, mostly in lower gears.<p>My transmission mount is new as of a week ago, and the surging still persists. Maybe it's the engine torque mount? Although, mine has the square mount on it, so it must have been replaced at <i>some</i> point??? (Not sure that it's all too old...)
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (FEO)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FEO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">have you checked the lower trans mount recently?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Anyone got a picture of what/where to check for this? I don't remember what/where it is last time I was under the car doing an oil change. I suppose I could check VADIS when I get home... The top mount looks fine and pulling on the engine from there doesn't cause much movement.<p>Has anyone had issues getting mount replacements covered by CPO?
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (Warpedcow)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Warpedcow</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyone got a picture of what/where to check for this? I don't remember what/where it is last time I was under the car doing an oil change. I suppose I could check VADIS when I get home... The top mount looks fine and pulling on the engine from there doesn't cause much movement.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Trans mount is fastened between the transmission and the front bumper area of your car. <p><IMG SRC="http://www.ipdusa.com/uploads/images_skus/12760S.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>BTW, I don't know where these axle bolts are exactly, but, per <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=123482" TARGET="_blank">this simultaneous thread</A>, anyone happen to know if I can put XC90 axle bolts on my T5?
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (StarmanDXE)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>StarmanDXE</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Trans mount is fastened between the transmission and the front bumper area of your car. <br><IMG SRC="http://www.ipdusa.com/uploads/images_skus/12760S.jpg" BORDER="0"><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I found this picture in an archived thread too:<br> <IMG SRC="http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv110/oxidizer2k/S60r%20Underbody/P1040155.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Based on both of the above I'm sure I'll find it when I poke my head under the car after work. If something looks horrible I'll post pics tonight, and try to get my car to the dealer tomorrow morning (I'm heading out on a trip tonight/tomorrow and if something looks bad and I can get a loaner, I'll go that route).
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (Warpedcow)

<A HREF="http://www.ipdusa.com/version.asp?strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=74,392,761&P_ID=3320&CAT_ID=761&V_ID=7906" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ipdusa.com/version....=7906</A><br>I'd just bite the bullet and get one with a poly mount. It'll last a lot longer than a OEM replacement. It's immediately visible if you take a look underneath the car and super easy to replace.
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (StarmanDXE)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>StarmanDXE</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BTW, I don't know where these axle bolts are exactly, but, per <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=123482" TARGET="_blank">this simultaneous thread</A>, anyone happen to know if I can put XC90 axle bolts on my T5?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes you can:<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=60005&page=2" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/z...age=2</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>StarmanDXE</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Although, mine has the square mount on it, so it must have been replaced at <i>some</i> point??? (Not sure that it's all too old...)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>"Improved" square mount is a bigger piece of crap than the round one (and has much more fore/aft play).
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (PhilUp)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PhilUp</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.ipdusa.com/version.asp?strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=74,392,761&P_ID=3320&CAT_ID=761&V_ID=7906" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ipdusa.com/version....=7906</A><br>I'd just bite the bullet and get one with a poly mount. It'll last a lot longer than a OEM replacement. It's immediately visible if you take a look underneath the car and super easy to replace.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'll definitely consider that option <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> However I really doubt I'm going to keep this car past it's warranty expiration date...<p>Would I be able to see the excess slack/movement in this mount if I push the car forward and back while the engine is off and in gear? I'd rather not throw money and IPD parts unless I'm darn sure that it will fix the problem. I'd also rather not just bring the car to the dealer without pointing them in the right direction of the fix...
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (PhilUp)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PhilUp</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.ipdusa.com/version.asp?strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=74,392,761&P_ID=3320&CAT_ID=761&V_ID=7906" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ipdusa.com/version....=7906</A><br>I'd just bite the bullet and get one with a poly mount. It'll last a lot longer than a OEM replacement. It's immediately visible if you take a look underneath the car and super easy to replace.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Last year I replaced this mount on my old S70T5 at 180 kMiles. Surprisingly old one was in very good condition and I didn't noticed an improvement that would justify the replacement. Don't get me wrong I have a tendency to replace parts that not broken yet but just because of mileage. I replaced this one because I already got a new one, but honestly I didn't notice the difference.<p>
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes you can:<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=60005&page=2" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/z...age=2</A></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Thanks.<p>So, are those bolts the cause of the surging?<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"Improved" square mount is a bigger piece of crap than the round one (and has much more fore/aft play).</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Or is the crappy square mount the cause? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (Warpedcow)

Bottom line: Axle ping is the axle-bolt moving in and out within the wheel hub. And *yes*, you will notice more to MUCH more driveline slack and sloppyness with loosened axle-bolts. Try this, as it's *much* easier than anything else and I've had marked success on mine after doing it.<p>1. Get a suction cup<br>2. remove the center cap from the front wheels<br>3. Tighten the n_tz out of your front axl-bolts<br>4. Replace center caps<br>5. Enjoy a much more positive, tighter driveline *immediately*.<br>6. Order XC90 axle-bolts<br>7. Install<br>8. Never repeat the above process
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (JoeLvo)

Cool, thanks. I saw that about just removing the center caps in another thread, so I'll try that when I get home. (Or, if it's raining tonight, then tomorrow.) And, instead of "tighten[ing] the nutz out of [it]," I'll just use a torque wrench and torque it to the specified 50 Nm <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> (or 30 Nm + 90 deg? There seem to be two specifications... :-/ )
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (StarmanDXE)

I should maybe also mention that there was a very SUDDEN increase in the slack, that I noticed after getting the car back from the dealer. Supposedly all they did was replace the brake pedal position sensor or something like that so they shouldn't have been anywhere near the axle bolts or tranny mount I would think.<p>Does a sudden, rather than gradual, increase in the slack indicate that either axle bolts or tranny mount is more likely to be the culprit?
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (JoeLvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bottom line: Axle ping is the axle-bolt moving in and out within the wheel hub. And *yes*, you will notice more to MUCH more driveline slack and sloppyness with loosened axle-bolts. Try this, as it's *much* easier than anything else and I've had marked success on mine after doing it.<p>1. Get a suction cup<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>sorry, any recommendation where to get it?<br>thanks!<br>
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (Papa_Kirlo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Papa_Kirlo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sorry, any recommendation where to get it?<br>thanks!<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No need for a suction cup. Use a small/thin flathead screwdriver between the cap and wheel.
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (MagoonR)

I was afraid to scratch a wheel or a cap.. will try this, thanks.
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (Papa_Kirlo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Papa_Kirlo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was afraid to scratch a wheel or a cap.. will try this, thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Just wrap some tape around the end of the screw driver to protect the paint on the wheel.
 

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Re: Question: Does axle ping = lots more drivetrain slack? (ollie)

Axle bolts were pretty tight, I was only able to turn them a few more degrees, and it didn't change the symptoms at all. Tranny mount looked okay too, so who knows what it is... dealer is going to look at it tomorrow...
 
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