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Oh good. An ambulance chaser is going to file a nuisance suit and make huge money while the actual plaintiffs get something like $50 each.

Lawyers like that guy give the rest of us a bad name.
 

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Oh good. An ambulance chaser is going to file a nuisance suit and make huge money while the actual plaintiffs get something like $50 each.

Lawyers like that guy give the rest of us a bad name.
+1

But just the same, thanks @MyVolvoS60 for putting it out there.
It sucks that Volvo made engines that use oil and did not own up fully or in many cases. Making them hurt might help for the future
However, I would not want a sleazy attorny to fill their pockets at the expense of both Volvo and the affected owners.
 

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Oh good. An ambulance chaser is going to file a nuisance suit and make huge money while the actual plaintiffs get something like $50 each.

Lawyers like that guy give the rest of us a bad name.
How is this an ambulance chaser? Audi & Honda sued for the same thing...Resulting in plaintiffs getting refunded for or receiving the necessary repairs. Lawyers take their 1/3rd. So theoretically, attorneys practicing injury or tort are out their to make a huge buck.

Do you think these guys sue pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, etc because their kind and generous people who want to help the general public? Sure, the oddball lawyer, but most see dollar signs....$4$$

Don't get me wrong, not every attorney is like this, but those ones you see advertising to sue for everything under the sun definitely fit the bill.

On the other hand, I had a property damage case where I had to go after a city contractor for damage to my property. The amount was sufficient for small claims, but insufficient for regular civil court. However, the contractor was a million dollar agency who tried bullying me with their lawfirm, and got the case transferred out of small claims. Contacted a lawyer that was referred to be my family attorney. The guy was up front and said look, it'll cost you as much as you're suing or more to hire me.

Here's what you do...and guess what? I won every last cent without going to court. So I wouldn't label everyone into that category!


1. Audi Sued Over Oil Consumption: https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/40790-audi-volkswagen-agree-settlement-including-2-3m-attorney-fees/

2. Honda Sued Over Oil Consumption: https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/1713-honda-accord-oil-defect-class-action-lawsuit/
 

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Oh good. An ambulance chaser is going to file a nuisance suit and make huge money while the actual plaintiffs get something like $50 each.

Lawyers like that guy give the rest of us a bad name.
How is this an ambulance chaser? Audi & Honda sued for the same thing...Resulting in plaintiffs getting refunded for or receiving the necessary repairs. Lawyers take their 1/3rd. So theoretically, attorneys practicing injury or tort are out their to make a huge buck.

Do you think these guys sue pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, etc because their kind and generous people who want to help the general public? Sure, the oddball lawyer, but most see dollar signs....$4$$

Don't get me wrong, not every attorney is like this, but those ones you see advertising to sue for everything under the sun definitely fit the bill.

On the other hand, I had a property damage case where I had to go after a city contractor for damage to my property. The amount was sufficient for small claims, but insufficient for regular civil court. However, the contractor was a million dollar agency who tried bullying me with their lawfirm, and got the case transferred out of small claims. Contacted a lawyer that was referred to be by an attorney my family used in the passed. The guy was up front and said look, it'll cost you as much as you're suing or more to hire me.

Here's what you do...and guess what? I won every last cent without going to court. So I wouldn't label everyone into that category!


1. Audi Sued Over Oil Consumption: https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit...gree-settlement-including-2-3m-attorney-fees/

2. Honda Sued Over Oil Consumption: https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit...honda-accord-oil-defect-class-action-lawsuit/
Several things in your wall of text...

1) As a practicing attorney I call this guy an ambulance chaser because he's an ambulance chaser. He's filing nuisance suits knowing that large companies will settle rather than litigate because a settlement is cheaper and it makes financial sense to pay him to go away. It's using the courts to shake down companies because a product had issues almost a decade after it left the factory. Class action suits are almost always little more than shakedowns. There is a difference between wanting to be compensated for one's services and taking weak cases knowing that the only reason you'll get any kind of recovery is if the company settles to avoid the cost of litigation.

2) Your experience in an individual lawsuit is wholly irrelevant to an analysis of a class action. A class action is a very different type of lawsuit that bears no resemblance whatsoever to your experience with a property damage suit against a city contractor.

3) Calling a single class action attorney an ambulance chaser does not imply that I think all attorneys are ambulance chasers, nor does it imply that I think all tort lawyers are ambulance chasers. You are misrepresenting my statements and I'm reasonably certain that you are aware that you are doing so.

4) You keep citing the Honda and Audi lawsuits as though the fact that other lawyers are also ambulance chasers somehow proves that this particular lawyer isn't an ambulance chaser. It doesn't work that way. The Honda lawsuit is especially unpersuasive - even though it settled, the plaintiffs named no specific defect causing the alleged oil consumption. In the Honda case, they basically gave a half dozen theories with zero proof of a defective part; there is no question in my mind that the Honda case was an instance of a manufacturer simply making a fiscal decision to settle because settling was cheaper than taking the case to trial despite the fact that the plaintiffs had a very weak case.

5) I spend my days around attorneys. Most of my friends are attorneys. I am an attorney. I feel quite comfortable, having gone through this guy's website, with my opinion that this guy is an ambulance chaser looking for nuisance suits that will get settled without ever seeing a trial on the merits. I think very highly of my profession and I have a very low opinion of most class action attorneys because, frankly, most of them are ambulance chasers who make the rest of us look bad.
 
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Several things in your wall of text...

1) As a practicing attorney I call this guy an ambulance chaser because he's an ambulance chaser. He's filing nuisance suits knowing that large companies will settle rather than litigate because a settlement is cheaper and it makes financial sense to pay him to go away. It's using the courts to shake down companies because a product had issues almost a decade after it left the factory. Class action suits are almost always little more than shakedowns. There is a difference between wanting to be compensated for one's services and taking weak cases knowing that the only reason you'll get any kind of recovery is if the company settles to avoid the cost of litigation.
Of course, because I am sure as an attorney you know litigating costs a fortune in attorney fees. So there's probably mutual benefit to settling. It's hell of a lot cheaper, and if a company loses, they could lose BIG. So coming to an agreement to make the issue go away is better than "accepting responsibility" and being on the hook. Where many out of court settlements happen with no admission of guilt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/business/johnson-johnson-baby-powder-verdict.html

Case and point where Johnson and Johnson just got hit with a 4.6 Billion Verdict....Those attorneys are getting new yachts, steak dinners, and caviar....

2) Your experience in an individual lawsuit is wholly irrelevant to an analysis of a class action. A class action is a very different type of lawsuit that bears no resemblance whatsoever to your experience with a property damage suit against a city contractor.
Anecdotal story that NOT EVERY attorney dealing with injury, tort, etc is a scum bag.. Jeez, I was trying to give credit that these guys on T.V. give lawyers bad names when MANY aren't like that..... :facepalm:

3) Calling a single class action attorney an ambulance chaser does not imply that I think all attorneys are ambulance chasers, nor does it imply that I think all tort lawyers are ambulance chasers. You are misrepresenting my statements and I'm reasonably certain that you are aware that you are doing so.
I was trying to highlight it is unfair to call people ambulance chasers, because everybody has to earn a living I guess. Though, as you aptly pointed out in point #1, some do so by being a nuisance to the courts. Bullying companies into settling instead of risking protracted litigation, and in some cases, a costly judgment when fault is assigned.

I still disagree that the Volvo Attorney is an ambulance chaser. Seeing that the same precedence was set with Honda and Audi under similar pretenses. You'd think a 7 or 8 year old car costing $30-100K could last more than say 100,000 miles? So if the company admits to a huge design flaw that impaired the vehicle's long term operability, why should the consumer be on the hook for a potentially expensive repair costing in the many 1000s?

Volvo acknowledges in their technical journal....The Piston Rings on X Engines with X Serial Numbers could develop costly issues.

4) I spend my days around attorneys. Most of my friends are attorneys. I am an attorney. I feel quite comfortable, having gone through this guy's website, with my opinion that this guy is an ambulance chaser looking for nuisance suits that will get settled without ever seeing a trial on the merits. I think very highly of my profession and I have a very low opinion of most class action attorneys because, frankly, most of them are ambulance chasers who make the rest of us look bad.
See above....
 

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From the referenced website...

"Due to the reported defects in the engines, oil is burned at a rate far in excess of normal oil consumption. Our investigation reveals that Volvo often denies warranty claims for these repairs."

I've read plenty of complaints about oil consumption on this forum, but I don't recall any valid warranty claims being denied. Am I wrong?
 

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It sucks that Volvo made engines that use oil and did not own up fully or in many cases.
It does suck but IMHO, Volvo has owned up to it. Lots of examples here of customers getting rings/pistons and new engines, sometimes even beyond the warranty period.

If the point is to make Volvo suffer, I'm pretty sure this error has already had a direct impact on their bottom line and their reputation. I wouldn't be surprised if a few people got fired, too.

Look up "schadenfreude".
 

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Several things in your wall of text...

1) As a practicing attorney I call this guy an ambulance chaser because he's an ambulance chaser. He's filing nuisance suits knowing that large companies will settle rather than litigate because a settlement is cheaper and it makes financial sense to pay him to go away. It's using the courts to shake down companies because a product had issues almost a decade after it left the factory. Class action suits are almost always little more than shakedowns. There is a difference between wanting to be compensated for one's services and taking weak cases knowing that the only reason you'll get any kind of recovery is if the company settles to avoid the cost of litigation.
Of course, because I am sure as an attorney you know litigating costs a fortune in attorney fees. So there's probably mutual benefit to settling. It's hell of a lot cheaper, and if a company loses, they could lose BIG. So coming to an agreement to make the issue go away is better than "accepting responsibility" and being on the hook. Where many out of court settlements happen with no admission of guilt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/business/johnson-johnson-baby-powder-verdict.html

Case and point where Johnson and Johnson just got hit with a 4.6 Billion Verdict....Those attorneys are getting new yachts, steak dinners, and caviar....

2) Your experience in an individual lawsuit is wholly irrelevant to an analysis of a class action. A class action is a very different type of lawsuit that bears no resemblance whatsoever to your experience with a property damage suit against a city contractor.
Anecdotal story that NOT EVERY attorney dealing with injury, tort, etc is a scum bag.. Jeez, I was trying to give credit that these guys on T.V. give lawyers bad names when MANY aren't like that..... <img src="http://www.vwvortex.com/Anthony/Smilies/facepalm.gif" border="0" alt="" title="facepalm" class="inlineimg" />

3) Calling a single class action attorney an ambulance chaser does not imply that I think all attorneys are ambulance chasers, nor does it imply that I think all tort lawyers are ambulance chasers. You are misrepresenting my statements and I'm reasonably certain that you are aware that you are doing so.
I was trying to highlight it is unfair to call people ambulance chasers, because everybody has to earn a living I guess. Though, as you aptly pointed out in point #1, some do so by being a nuisance to the courts. Bullying companies into settling instead of risking protracted litigation, and in some cases, a costly judgment when fault is assigned.

I still disagree that the Volvo Attorney is an ambulance chaser. Seeing that the same precedence was set with Honda and Audi under similar pretenses. You'd think a 7 or 8 year old car costing $30-100K could last more than say 100,000 miles? So if the company admits to a huge design flaw that impaired the vehicle's long term operability, why should the consumer be on the hook for a potentially expensive repair costing in the many 1000s?

Volvo acknowledges in their technical journal....The Piston Rings on X Engines with X Serial Numbers could develop costly issues.

4) I spend my days around attorneys. Most of my friends are attorneys. I am an attorney. I feel quite comfortable, having gone through this guy's website, with my opinion that this guy is an ambulance chaser looking for nuisance suits that will get settled without ever seeing a trial on the merits. I think very highly of my profession and I have a very low opinion of most class action attorneys because, frankly, most of them are ambulance chasers who make the rest of us look bad.
See above....
I'll get into this in detail tonight when I'm no longer on my phone, but suffice to say that, yet again, you are offering off topic and irrelevant comments, citing non-analogous instances, misrepresenting previous litigation, and generally avoiding substantive discussion about the main topic.
 

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I'm with Zenmer on this one. Class action lawsuits almost always serve to pad the pockets of the attorneys with members of the class often getting nothing or next to nothing.
 

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My friend she had 2015.5 and she had this issue dealers/volvo refuse to fix it keep saying to her it was normal. She had lease so of cause after that she said never again another volvo . Just because Volvo and dealers in NJ has 0 costumer service. Except prestige Volvo but than their sales people are pushy and only will sell you w.e they have on the lot and will never budge on price. And yes she drove BMWs Mini coopers etc and yes they all had oil issues but she said that costumer service at dealer or Corp was always high at list in NJ. They would fix or replace any broken part with no arguments . Unlike Volvo you have to fight for warranty and some dealers feel like you walked in to Chevy Dealer. So after owning GM cars and i did liked my Oldsmobile's. Dealer experience was exactly same as you would go to Volvo dealer. Only exception was Cadillac most of the time they had best costumer service . But calling GM corp for recall issues etc was same bad experience as calling volvo. I do like what Volvo does with their cars. If they say now that they luxury brand they should provide same service as other luxury brands. It took me 2 month total to replace defective dashboard in my S90 inscription with me spending 20 min of arguing with dealer that it is a defect . Than waiting for volvo to approve etc. When in BMW and Benz or Lexus that would take 2 weeks tops with shipping and labor and no arguments.
 

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Just curious... What was the issue that the dealer refused to fix? Was it oil consumption? How many miles per quart was your friend getting?
 

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Volvo has made good on fixing the oil consumption cars. We have repaired a few with over 100,000 miles on them that have zero service history at a dealership despite my detest.

This lawsuit will fall flat on its face.
 

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Volvo has made good on fixing the oil consumption cars. We have repaired a few with over 100,000 miles on them that have zero service history at a dealership despite my detest.

This lawsuit will fall flat on its face.
Not any more. Goodwill money is drying up. I've seen two cases denied in the last two weeks and both engine code 62's with less than 100K. I think they offered 20% off the engine and that was all.
 

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I'm with Zenmer on this one. Class action lawsuits almost always serve to pad the pockets of the attorneys with members of the class often getting nothing or next to nothing.
Agreed in most cases. But it does appear the Honda / Audi owners got reimbursed for the cost of repairs and/or the repairs made at no cost to them....While I am sure the lawyers walked away with far more money.
 

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I'll get into this in detail tonight when I'm no longer on my phone, but suffice to say that, yet again, you are offering off topic and irrelevant comments, citing non-analogous instances, misrepresenting previous litigation, and generally avoiding substantive discussion about the main topic.
Main topic is Honda / Audi owners got reimbursed for repairs and/or repairs made at no cost to them as a result of the class action....So while the lawyers made out like Fat Cats, at least vehicle owners got their issue resolved.

Everyone knows attorneys walk away from these cases Smelling far rosier than the class members of the action. However, I'd say getting the vehicle repaired is still a BIG WIN for owners....As these repairs can be in the many 1000s.

I'm not passing judgment, but ambulance chasers have their place, even if they are in it for self gain.....

And then not every lawyer doing these are ambulance chasers. Cue Ralph Nader who fought for better consumer protections and litigated issues with the Corvair.
 

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Volvo has made good on fixing the oil consumption cars. We have repaired a few with over 100,000 miles on them that have zero service history at a dealership despite my detest.

This lawsuit will fall flat on its face.
There's been some argument over whether the customer is on the hook for all the diagnostic leading up to the decision of replacing piston rings / engine. Which quite honestly, should be on Volvo if the issue is ultimately determined to be bad piston rings / engine.

A car over 100,000 miles may not be that old....And Hondas, Toyotas, etc can make many 100s of thousand of miles. Are you telling me that Volvo, a car costing $30-100K, should be considered outmoded upon hitting 6 digits? Ouch, that's not a real vote of confidence for the brand if your personal opinion as a tech is Tough Luck.

The Federal Highway Administration lists drivers 45-54 as doing 18,858 miles / yr. https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm Meaning a 100K car could be less than 6 years old....
 

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Not any more. Goodwill money is drying up. I've seen two cases denied in the last two weeks and both engine code 62's with less than 100K. I think they offered 20% off the engine and that was all.
Can't comment directly as I haven't seen those two instances, but this would be concerning and why that attorney might be hunting for class action members.
 

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Maybe I'm stupid, but I always thought the warranty period was a finite period of time or miles during which the manufacturer is responsible for defects. Keyword "finite". Some people seem to take issue with that. So if it's not finite, what is it? Infinite?
 

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Just curious... What was the issue that the dealer refused to fix? Was it oil consumption? How many miles per quart was your friend getting?
She had to add oil every 2 weeks. No leaks were found . And i know she drives normal not crazy.
 
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