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re the recent discussion about the R "pops" and whether or not it was "engineered" into the car: check out Peter Egan's column ("Side Glances") in the May Road & Track (sorry, no link because May doesn't seem to be on their web site yet!); it's about Jaguar and the trouble they went to to get the correct, and slightly different, "Jaguar Sound" into the<br>new XK. Seems to be little doubt that the "R sound" was massaged into our cars--fine with me; I like it! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (willyjp)

I like the pop too. The exhaust sound has turned into such an important part of the engineering process. I remember reading about the original Miata and how the engineers looked at numerous exhaust designs until they found the right one. Listen to the exhaust for the FX35 or Infinity coupe- probably my favorite OEM exhaust sound.
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (Wayne T5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Wayne T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like the pop too. The exhaust sound has turned into such an important part of the engineering process. I remember reading about the original Miata and how the engineers looked at numerous exhaust designs until they found the right one. Listen to the exhaust for the FX35 or Infinity coupe- probably my favorite OEM exhaust sound. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That engine (the 3.5L VQ Nissan / Infiniti V6) as tuned in the FX35, G35's, and 350Z is probably the most distinctive OEM exhaust sound out there. It is so easily identifiable out of a crowd, it's insane (or at least my wife thinks <B>I'M</B> insane when I point it out in a passing group of cars.<p>What's interesting is that that engine is used in SO many vehicles (pathfinder, Xterra, Altima, Quest, Frontier, Murano) and the exhaust note for those cars is so much different. They only want the sportiness on the sporty cars, I guess.
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (willyjp)

I agree and think it was designed to sound that way. There are two cars with exhaust sounds that I can't stand! 1. Mid-80's Cavalier Z24 and 2. the new Infinitis (G and FX), automatics are especially bad when the driver kind of pushes it and holds it right before a shift it's such an incredibly annoying sound!<p>Thank you Volvo for the R 'sound'.<p>LTA<br>
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (willyjp)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>willyjp</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">re the recent discussion about the R "pops" and whether or not it was "engineered" into the car: check out Peter Egan's column ("Side Glances") in the May Road & Track (sorry, no link because May doesn't seem to be on their web site yet!); it's about Jaguar and the trouble they went to to get the correct, and slightly different, "Jaguar Sound" into the<br>new XK. Seems to be little doubt that the "R sound" was massaged into our cars--fine with me; I like it! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't buy the "designed-in" story. Run a mix of 92/100 octane at 2:1 and you'll see a noticeable drop in the frequency of the popping. <p>IMO it occurs due to the adaptive knock sensor and retarding spark advance/fuel dumping at detonation thresholds.
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (StaggRLee)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>StaggRLee</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I don't buy the "designed-in" story. Run a mix of 92/100 octane at 2:1 and you'll see a noticeable drop in the frequency of the popping. <p>IMO it occurs due to the adaptive knock sensor and retarding spark advance/fuel dumping at detonation thresholds.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So are you guys talking about the burble sound when you let off the gas? Is that what 'pop' is?<p>LTA<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LTA at 10:28 AM 4-5-2006</i>
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (LTA)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LTA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>So are you guys talking about the burble sound when you let off the gas? If that whay 'pop' is?<p>LTA<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, the pop is different from the burble. You get the pop when you accelerate and change gears, letting off the gas quickly- you hear a very audible pop some times.
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (Wayne T5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Wayne T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No, the pop is different from the burble. You get the pop when you accelerate and change gears, letting off the gas quickly- you hear a very audible pop some times. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I see, thanks Wayne T5. In my 'hood we call that back-fire.<br>I guess I went off on a tangent thinking you were talking about the exhaust sound in general. As for backfire, IMHO I doubt that was engineered into the <I>R</I>.<p>Nontheless, I love the sound (all the sounds).<p>LTA<br>
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (willyjp)

I too found the backfire (pop) annoying. Otherwise, I like the sound, though the aftermarket cat back that I will soon install will change it a bit.<p>As for the popping - Monday I installed the BSR software via the PPC and guess what! NO MORE POPPING! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Also, for those who were worried about the 1st and 2nd gear performance with the BSR upgrade, I found that the car screams in both first and second and is even bettter in the upper gears. It really woke the car up!
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (OwlsInBog)

The R sounds amazing with an exhaust, it's a deep burble turbo sound. Amazing under hard throttle. As for most annoying sounding car, try any subaru boxer with or with out an exhaust. sounds like a lawn mower with the choke stuck on. That's why I chose the R over the legacy GT.<br>DAn
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (OwlsInBog)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>OwlsInBog</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I too found the backfire (pop) annoying. Otherwise, I like the sound, though the aftermarket cat back that I will soon install will change it a bit.<p>As for the popping - Monday I installed the BSR software via the PPC and guess what! NO MORE POPPING! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Also, for those who were worried about the 1st and 2nd gear performance with the BSR upgrade, I found that the car screams in both first and second and is even bettter in the upper gears. It really woke the car up!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Is this with a GT or MT?
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (LTA)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LTA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> exhaust sounds that I can't stand! 1. Mid-80's Cavalier Z24 </TD></TR></TABLE><br>lol<br>THAT was the first to come to my mind too!<br>A lot of the GM's from that time had that waaaaa sound. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (Eric_H)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Eric_H</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>lol<br>THAT was the first to come to my mind too!<br>A lot of the GM's from that time had that waaaaa sound. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yeah, LOL too, that's it "waaaaaaaaaa" !! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I drove with the windows down today and played a bit and heard the nice burble and some mild backfire (pop sound). The stock exhaust sure does sound really good. This was all while keeping the RPM's under 4000 (still going easy for another while for the break in).<p>I can't wait to really tear into the higher RPMs and it should be even better once I bold on the EST cat-back. (I'll certainly do some a/v clips and post them).<p>LTA
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (LTA)

I think the VQ engine in the G35 and 350z sounds like it's farting. I had a Maxima and it was way less flatulent sounding but still sounded nice. I'm sure when you're inside the car winding it up it sounds great. Just my opinion though.
 

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Re: "Pops" and the R sound (willyjp)

FYI, here's the old thread:<p> <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=55471" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=55471</A><p>Not to be a pedant but it's important to know the "pop" is NOT backfire, very different things! (see original thread)<p>A great example of this stuff is Harley Davidson. They even sued Honda, unsuccesfully, for copying the Harley 'sound'. Harley spends a LOT of effort maintaining their sound for new engine designs which might not inherently produce it.
 
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